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Why do I have two slots in my Roller Foil

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djn
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Initially Posted - 11/03/2006 : 12:33:55

Hi All, I was working on the boat the other day and noticed there are two slots in my Harken Roller Furling Foil. Why is that? What purpose does that serve and can I hoits up the 110 jib I have in the second slot to go downwind? Cheers.

Dennis
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/03/2006 : 12:54:37

Dennis,

Yes, the second slot is to hoist another sail - wing on wing if you like, but mostly for a sail change. I wish I had one on my ProFurl. I have a new 110 that never gets used unless I physically remove the 135. You're a lucky guy Dennis, new job and all.

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djn
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Response Posted - 11/03/2006 : 13:07:16

Thanks Al. I am in training now and will actually start Monday. So do I need another halyard for the second sail? Or do I just connect the one halyard to both sails? Cheers.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/03/2006 : 13:07:59

two halyards

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/03/2006 : 13:23:52

You might be able to use a spinnaker halyard if you have one.

Side Note: I just put my name in to join Catalina 25 Fleet 3 down your way. Are you a member?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 11/03/2006 : 13:54:49

So you can do what racers call a "peel". Like changing down from a 155 to a 135 underway.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/03/2006 : 14:54:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 So you can do what racers call a "peel". Like changing down from a 155 to a 135 underway.
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We usually call it a sail change. Peel, at least around here, is reserved for a kite change. Obviously you would need a tuff-luff or the equivalent in order to do this. The regular hank on stuff won’t cut the mustard.

Of course if you are the foredeck guy on an 80 miler and this is the 4th sail change during your “down time” there might be a number of things you might call it, none of them good.

For those who don’t know what Jim is referring to, a peel is when one sail goes up, either inside or outside the other (usually inside) and the other sail comes down inside of the new sail – (or outside if your skipper is a !@$#!@#) In general, unless you have a crew that can pull one off in 5 minutes and still manage to trim the sails you have up, you only see these things on distance races.

Peel – referred to as such because on a spinnaker change(or sail change), the outer spinnaker is “peeled” away from the inner (new) kite.

A head sail change would go something like this – depending on which forestay track is open some things reverse. For this example assume the boat is on port tack to start and the boat is able to tack in the middle of the maneuver.

1. Tactician and Skipper determine that there is too much cloth up for the prevailing conditions.
2. Calls for a sail change, person in the box/hole/pit (choose your own terminology) would go below and grab a new jib sheet.(and a jib car if switching to a #3 or higher)
3 Bowman would open the hatch and grab the sail.
4. The new sheet would be fed through the existing blocks (usually able to hold 2 sets of lines simultaneously on racing boats) on the windward side and attached to the clew. Note only one sheet is used at this time – running the second sheet through the low side can be an even bigger speed killer than the sail change.
5. The new sail goes up.
6. Boat Tacks, old sail is dropped through the tack
7. Foredeck cleans up and stows the new sail. Mast support runs attaches the other jib sheet which is not free. The third jib sheet is coiled and thrown below.

Of course, in some instances, you aren’t able to tack usually due to natural obstructions. If that is the case your putting sails up or down outside of the other, which can get ugly.

Spinnaker peels are a real thing of beauty I’ve never actually done one, but have seen a few.

It costs our skipper 2 tack cards per sail change out of his daily allowance.

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