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Sailor Vic
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Initially Posted - 06/22/2002 : 22:46:50

Hi All,

I just joined (and even purchased a Catalina 250 Association T shirt).

I'm a novice sailor and I just purchased a brand new 250 wing keel.

I towed it to the lake and then ......oops....

Getting the mast up was easy as I had been totally consumed with how it was to go up.

My problem is the lines to the mast, jib, etc.

I can/could fake it and probably get all to work but I'd love to find someplace with pictures or diagrams showing how the factory want what line where and in what pulley.

I've looked in my new manual as well as the manual that the Association shows but nowhere can I find pictures or diagrams of how the lines should go through the pulleys, tying them down, etc.

I'm sure most of you are laughing as most "sailors" should know all that stuff but today when I was on my boat, with the mast up and the shrouds looking great, etc I got lost.

Any help anywhere?

Thanks a lot. This group is one of the reasons for my purchasing the 250 versus other brands. I've enjoyed reading about the 25 and 250 for over 3 months.

Vic

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Tupelo Honey
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Response Posted - 06/23/2002 : 11:18:13

welcome to the forum. the manual i have shows the lines pretty clearly. i would recommend that you have a look at the picture gallery and see what you can glean.

d

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Sailor Vic
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Response Posted - 06/23/2002 : 11:58:40

I looked at the Photo Gallery and it only shows boats, etc of fellow members.

I looked in my brand new manual as well as the online manual.

Nowhere (that I can find anyway) does it show where the line from the main sail comes/goes after it comes out of the mast for example as well as where the line ties up, etc from the jib where it comes out of the mast.

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bear
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Response Posted - 06/23/2002 : 13:06:50

Welcome to the C250 sailors club;
I would think that for the price you paid for that boat
that the dealer would not even let you put that boat near the water without at least some help rigging it and a couple of shake down cruises. I'm sure Arlyn and/or one of the old hands at this has some
print or words of wisdom. What I did was take some good pictures and notes of will do's and better not do's. I do think the dealer has some responsibility to you though. Better days are coming.

Bear on C250WB

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Sailor Vic
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Response Posted - 06/23/2002 : 14:57:51

The dealer? :-)

I believe that if I drove the over 4 hours to his place I could see some of the 250's parked there and that he might even show me how it goes.

My "problem" now is that I am far away from his place.

I was hoping that someplace on the net there would be some pictures.

I was very surprised that there weren't any pictures or diagrams in the nice manual that came along with the 250.

I think half of the problem is that I'm a total novice and so what other experienced 250 sailors see as "of course" or "naturally" I look at as "how?"

I did have an experienced friend look at the rigging but he scratched his head. He was impressed at the boat but didn't know hopw to do the rigging "perfectly" (as the factory recommends).

For me for example, I have pulled the jib up all the way, have used the roller furler but really don't know where the "official" place to tie up the line on the mast that raised the sail and he didn't either.

Isn't there ANY place that has that shown?

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Tray
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Response Posted - 06/23/2002 : 22:19:59

Vic,

I know exactly how you feel. I just bought my 250 in NOV '01, but it seems like years ago. It is my first boat, and I was bewildered by all those lines. My dealer is only an hour away, and he showed me how everything goes, but after it was all derigged and trailered, I had no idea how to put it back together. I found some great advice here, and one of the members, Ben, came to my marina and helped me along.

The manual is pretty pathetic given what you pay for this boat. I think Catalina wrote the manual for someone other than the new sailor.

There is a difference between the WKs and WBs regarding lines. I'm not sure what the differnces are exactly since I've never seen a WK, but assuming you have roller furling, your jib "halyard" is that line that comes out of the spool at the bottom of your furler. It should be run through some fairleads (they look like padeyes) down the port side to a cleat on the deck. It isn't really a halyard, but by pulling on it you'll furl up the jib, by uncleated it, and pulling on one of the jib sheets, you unfurl the jib. You may still be rigged with a real jib halyard that looks a lot like the main halyard except it runs down the port side of your mast. Keep it tied off, you'll never use it with your furler. You might find it useful for a windscoop or something, but it serves no purpose for sailing.

The jib sheets (the two lines tied to the same hole in the jib) should each run through a block (pulley) that is on a track on their respective side of the boat. You should have two cam cleats for securing these while underway near your winches.

The reefing line is pretty well illustrated in the manual. I undid mine and rerouted it based on the manual since I rigged it incorrectly the first time. It needs to be slack while raising the main, unless you've reefed.

The main halyard runs down the stbd side of your mast, and may be run to your cockpit. I'd be guessing on that, but it should be the only line on the stbd side of the mast that puts tension on the shackle that should be attached to a shroud cleat on the stbd side. You unhook it from there and connect it to your main sail.

The topping lift is also on the stbd side of the mast and raises and lowers your boom. It should be cleated on the mast itself.

I'm moving to Florida this week, and once I get my internet service switched over, I'll post some pictures here for you. I hope it I didn't oversimplify things. I'm assuming your level of experience is much like mine was when I bought my boat. If you're in a marina, ask somebody with a similar boat if they can help. Most of the sailors I've met are very willing to offer advice. If you're anywhere near Jacksonville, FL, I could lend a hand and return the favor given to me by other members of this forum.

Maybe with some other input and more pictures we could make over that manual so it is useful for beginners.

Tray
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Ray Seitz
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Response Posted - 06/24/2002 : 07:58:33

Congrats and welcome Vic.

I am not sure I can offer much as the dealer set up all my rigging and I still have a couple of unanswered questions myself. Tray did not mention the outhaul which is the second line which runs through the boom (the other being the reefing line) and attaches to the clew of the sail (it is a cable on this end) and the other to a cleat on the boom. I think there is a number of ways that the lines can be set up as the dealer modified some of the placements on my rigging and explained his reasoning on why he set it up this way as opposed to that. I am not sure but I think the dealer gets paperwork on how the rigging is to be set and which lines to use. I have it in my manual but can't get to it till next weekend.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The reefing line is pretty well illustrated in the manual. I undid mine and rerouted it based on the manual since I rigged it incorrectly the first time. It needs to be slack while raising the main, unless you've reefed.

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Been there done that<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>Tray

I have a problem with my main halyard. It utilizes one of the rope clutches but the line and the clutch do not seem to be sized right as I usually have to tie the main halyard off on a stancion. Has anybody else had this problem?

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628

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jguyot
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Response Posted - 06/24/2002 : 12:06:12

Hi Vic

Congratulations on your new boat! You WILL enjoy it !<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
The main sail halyard comes out the right side of the mast straight down; goes through a block at the base of the mast; then goes through a "turning block"; then to the rope clutch.

The Jib Halyard that comes out the left side of the mast is not used! The dealer should have put a "Cleat" on the mast for you to tie this one off.

Hopefully you remembered to use the lines IN the furler to raise your Jib. Did you remember to tie a line to the small line coming out of the top of the furler to pull the jib up?? I have been known to forget to do that and it is a pain if you forgot as you would have to let the mast back down....... Been there ....Done That!!!

On the WK, there are 3 rope clutches; 2 starboard and one port. The way I have mine set up is: Starboard side is the Main Halyard & Reefing line. On the Port side is the Boom Vang

The topping lift comes from the top of the mast; into the boom, all the way through the boom, around the pulley, and then back out somewhere near the middle of the boom. There was a jam cleat to hold the line where it exits. My dealer had left that as all one line, which made it a pain to thread it through. This year I cut the line above the end of the boom & tied them together. This way I don't have to thread it all the way through...... It was kind of a "Well, Duuuuhhhhh" But neither I nor the dealer thought of that at the time.

Hope some of this helps..... I know how you feel...... My dealer is about 5 hours away!!

Jerry Guyot
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Sailor Vic
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 12:48:45

Thanks a LOT to all of you <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I have it rigged now !!!!!! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I have no excuse except that I'm a novice.

It sure seemed like a "waste" to have the line that raises the jib to go all the way back since the boat comes with a jib fuller and my novice "logic" conflicted with the reality that the factory wanted me to run a line all the way back, that I would never raise or lower while underway <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I just couldn't figure it out. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I can see that I'll be changing things soon. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I am VERY grateful to all of you and this forum and am happy that I joined.

If any of you are near or come by Northern California by Lake Oroville be sure to let me know and I'd like to buy you the best Pale Ale beer in the world....Sierra Neveda Brewery, made in Chico California......see you at Bidwell Marina. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Best of luck to all of you and hopefully soon I can add advice here and give input as well.

Vic

"Leon's Dream" (in honor of my father who always dreamed of owning a sailboat)

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 06/25/2002 : 14:48:03

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Vic

"Leon's Dream" (in honor of my father who always dreamed of owning a sailboat)

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Hi Vic,

What a COOL idea, and a neat tribute to your father ... welcome to the Forum, and happy sailing!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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