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Frank Hopper
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Initially Posted - 11/30/2006 : 14:32:49

I mentioned last week that I got a citation for my boat being too close to the street, I tried it in the back yard abut the overhead wires were too close to the masthead and I would not be able to raise the mast. I decided it needed to move again.

There are a few photos of the back yard location here.
http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum151.html
So now it is at the side of the house and I can see it out of my computer room window

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 11/30/2006 14:33:58

StSimon
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Response Posted - 11/30/2006 : 18:12:52

Frank,

Is your "Mast Up" the one from CD or another source?

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 11/30/2006 : 18:20:39

Frank, if my boat was that close, I'd be messin' with it all the time!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/30/2006 : 18:49:06

The city I live in doesn't allow recreational vehicle parking in the driveway either. To be able to store it in the back yard, it has to be on a concrete/asphalt pad and the vehicle can't occupy more than 200sqft.

I stored my last boat in the backyard directly on the turf (no parking pad), but my privacy fence concealed me from the prying eyes of the law.

When I did park in the backyard, it sure was great to see the boat everyday during the offseason. My wife on the other hand didn't care all that much for me storing the boat in her backyard.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 11/30/2006 : 19:31:54

>"the overhead wires were too close to the masthead "

Hmmm... just think of it as an instant shorepower connection!

(only kidding)

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/30/2006 : 19:42:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by StSimon
 Frank,

Is your "Mast Up" the one from CD or another source?
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It is from CD in 03

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 03:09:47

This makes me feel very lucky with my boat storage. We have tough winters with snow and freezing so when we built our home I first built my storage building. I have shore power and a heater so I can set in it and imagine I am on a cruise. Very interesting with city rules that protect, wonder who made up the code and why? Hope we don't get so big that we start having those special laws that protect.http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dd09b3127cce8814ed8ab8b100000016100AZs2jZkzbMWKA

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 06:25:07

sweet

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 08:08:05

For 30 years, I wrote and enforced zoning, housing, building and nuisance codes, and taught seminars on those subjects. To us, our boats are things of beauty, but not so to our neighbors. If you live on a larger piece of land, surrounded by trees, so that your boat is screened from your neighbors, you aren't likely to get complaints, but, if you live in a city or a housing development, your neighbors don't want to go out on their patio to relax and have your boat or RV obstruct their view of the sunset.

These laws come about because taxpayers and voters like us demand them. Suppose, for example, you lived in a nice residential neighborhood, and your neighbor parked an old school bus, or an old Greyhound bus in his back yard and started converting it to an RV, but he never gets it done. Meanwhile, it starts to rust, the tires go flat, the weeds grow around it, and he starts using it to store junk inside. Eventually, you need to sell your house for some reason, but when prospective buyers come to look at your house and see the "RV" in your neighbor's backyard, they suddenly lose interest in your house. After several months, your need to sell your house becomes more pressing, and you'd be willing to reduce your price, but you can't, because you owe too much on it. Most people believe that one property owner has no right to use his own property in a way that damages his neighbor, or that harms the value or marketability of his neighbor's property. Step back and look at your boat from your neighbors' perspective. You might see it differently.

If your laws don't establish standards for residential land use, it's only a matter of time until someone decides to build a 40' steel boat or a hot rod in his backyard. So what if he never gets it done, after several years, or if he leaves his tools and parts and acetylene tanks scattered around the yard. Or, how about if a trucker parked his tractor trailer in his back yard, so he didn't have to pay to park it? Residential property is supposed to be used for residential purposes. Your home is the place you go to get away from the noise and visual clutter of the commercial world. There are certain uses that don't belong in a residential district.

The types of standards that cities usually adopt require that RVs be stored behind the front line of the house (so they'll be less obtrusive), and that they be less than a certain overall length (often 30'). Most laws will allow an RV to be kept in the front of the premises for a reasonable period of time, so you can do occasional minor maintenance and load it for a trip. If your RV is oversized, or you can't get it behind the front line of your house, then your neighbors would probably appreciate it if you would store it off premises, and you'd probably save yourself a visit by the dreaded zoning man.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 09:08:30

Boy, what I wouldn't give to have my boat at home. Those of you that keep your boats there are really fortunate.

In addition to which it costs me $900 to store at the marina's yard for the winter months. YUCK !

Val on the hard DAGNABIT, # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 09:10:41

Our zoning provides for a 25' setback from the 15' frontage, had I been aware of it I never would have had my boat there. I moved out of a neighborhood with very strict covenants which of course only we early houses adhered to. The only time the HOA board tried to enforce some of the maintenance covenants the association was hit with a a suit claiming prejudice, racial profiling, violation of civil rights and the homeowner got a free federal attorney, all we wanted was a garage door that was collapsed to be repaired after three years of neglect. It cost the association thousands. I am a big believer in zoning ordinances but as with most things it is we who choose to obey that are restricted and those who chose to ignore who profit. But hey thats OK too those of us who chose to obey the rules win in the long run.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 12/01/2006 09:12:41

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 10:02:47

Time wounds all heels.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 10:05:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Boy, what I wouldn't give to have my boat at home. Those of you that keep your boats there are really fortunate. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Same here, but, being the zoning enforcer, I didn't dare get caught violating the zoning code. I stored my boat off premises during the winter, and only brought it home for pre-launch maintenance in the spring, and made sure I got it done in less than 2 weeks. Most zoning codes have that much latitude built into them. Most zoning inspectors will allow you a little time for that sort of thing if you give them a reasonable end-date, keep your yard policed up, and stick to your deadline. They don't really want to hassle you. After all, you're a voter and taxpayer, too.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 12:40:12

Val - $900 is a better deal than I got...does that include a power washing at the haul out?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 15:02:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Val - $900 is a better deal than I got...does that include a power washing at the haul out?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Might be an idea for a different thread that could get interesting. we are 420 (2.10 x length x beam) 75 bucks to provide jack stands. $30 bucks if you need them to store your mast on the rack. They'll step/unstep the mast for another $30.

Includes haul out, pressure wash and splash in the spring.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 17:19:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 Might be an idea for a different thread that could get interesting...
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Seems to me it's an annual event.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 18:42:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 Might be an idea for a different thread that could get interesting...
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Seems to me it's an annual event.

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so is the boat name thread
the spring to do list
The how much for insurance and
how much for dockage (with and without) water threads. Maybe along with the Dumb SOB's who used to own this boat forum segment we make a perpetual threads segment

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 12/01/2006 : 22:40:13

Good point with the zoning and I agree as a home owner. Yes, I store my boat on the property in the back but it is enclosed too. Our tough winters take care of a lot of things stored outside but I do see the project buses and cars around that last a little too long. We have the annual pull outs and launches and they are great get togethers. The help is shared and the safety discussed with stories of the ramp.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/02/2006 : 00:29:15

So Jim,
Do you ever come out and find the truck buried under a roof load of snow?

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 12/02/2006 : 00:44:44

The snow does look like it could dump and it does get a lot deeper but with the comp roof and gutters it doesn't slide off. It looks like I like my boat better than my truck. Note: this was last winter but had this picture which also shows my dream shop next to the boat and the rented apartment which covers the taxes and makes it possible to cruise. I maintain some of the other skippers boats and we talk over the problems of the world and where we are going on the next cruise in the heated part of the shop. The hotrod snow blower is right by the shop door so we can get back to the house and get the boat out to go south for a winter cruise.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/02/2006 : 07:49:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 ...Maybe along with the Dumb SOB's who used to own this boat forum...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The WHO??

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/02/2006 : 08:44:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">quote:
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Originally posted by Duane Wolff

...Maybe along with the Dumb SOB's who used to own this boat forum...
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The WHO??<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I just figured out Duane's cryptic comment. I think he's referring to the fact that we all think the previous owners of our boats were dumb SOB's. Therefor, we should have a perpetual thread on the forum, so that we will have a place to go when we want to complain about "the dumb SOB who used to own this boat."

Outstanding idea, Duane!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/02/2006 : 09:24:52

Steve, you must have at least 40 IQ points on me, I thought Duane was just having some sort of sailing withdrawal melt down.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 12/02/2006 : 14:43:41

Dave, I need a update of what I just read.

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