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jimfj
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Initially Posted - 02/11/2007 : 20:14:04

Hello all,

I have a new to me 82 C-25 fin keel. Standard Rig dinette version. I want to ask some questions, as I am in the process of "restoring" the boat. I have searched the archives and some things are still unanswered.
1. Did Catalina use any type of teak treatment on the interior trim. Mine has a reddish cast to it and I wondered if they might have used Dalys Sea Fin teak finish on it or was it a P.O.?

2. Were cockpit coming storage compartments some sort of option? Mine does not have them but alot of Catalina's I have seen do.

3. Where can I find a replacement sheeve for the little traveler car on the stern pulpit? I have not called catalina direct yet but will. Any other ideas there.

I am making various upgrades and wondered if there was anything to look out for in this vintage. I have done the following:

Checked the windows (ports) for leaks--they are fine.
Keel bolts look Okay. Not perfect but I believe this boat spent most of its time in fresh water (Great Lakes) and it will continue that in Kansas City.
Rewired the electrical system. Old panel and added a new 6 breaker.
I have a porta potty so no problems there.
Chainplates are good
Bulkheads are good.
pop top seals well.

Will tell more on rigging when I get to that.

Any suggestions ideas comments welcome

Thank you,

Jim
Kansas City
c-25 as yet unnamed.

SAIL FAST LIVE SLOW!
82 C-25 fin, S/R dinette.
Joint Venture
Port of Kansas City

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 20:33:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jimfj
 Hello all,

I have a new to me 82 C-25 fin keel. Standard Rig dinette version. I want to ask some questions, as I am in the process of "restoring" the boat. I have searched the archives and some things are still unanswered.
1. Did Catalina use any type of teak treatment on the interior trim. Mine has a reddish cast to it and I wondered if they might have used Dalys Sea Fin teak finish on it or was it a P.O.?If anything they used teak oil. Well oiled teak will have that reddish look.

2. Were cockpit coming storage compartments some sort of option? Mine does not have them but alot of Catalina's I have seen do.yes they were an option in the earlier years. I picked up one and added it later for about 45 bucks. It is a great add on and easy to do after you get over the cutting holes in the boat fear

3. Where can I find a replacement sheeve for the little traveler car on the stern pulpit? I have not called catalina direct yet but will. Any other ideas there. Catalina Yachts maybe, or Catalina Direct. That car is fairly custom and not found on too many boats.

I am making various upgrades and wondered if there was anything to look out for in this vintage. I have done the following:

Checked the windows (ports) for leaks--they are fine.
Keel bolts look Okay. Not perfect but I believe this boat spent most of its time in fresh water (Great Lakes) and it will continue that in Kansas City.
Rewired the electrical system. Old panel and added a new 6 breaker.
I have a porta potty so no problems there.
Chainplates are good
Bulkheads are good.
pop top seals well.

Will tell more on rigging when I get to that.

Any suggestions ideas comments welcome

Thank you,

Jim
Kansas City
c-25 as yet unnamed.

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 Welcome to the group, please be sure to join the association. Sounds like you have all your ducks in a row at this point. 
dw

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Fantasy II
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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 20:55:05

I have a complete traveler car I removed from my '81 and it's yours IF it will fit! What year is your boat? There seems to be some differences depending on the year of manufacture, so let me know, OK?

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 21:18:25

Hi Jim and welcome to the group. When I got my boat I did a lot of the type work you are doing and enjoyed every minute of it. Here is a link to the post of all the work I did. Keep good picture records and write something up when you have the time. Cheers.

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14142&SearchTerms=all,the,work,I,did,

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 22:34:23

In my 1979 C-25 (which was very used when I got it) the interior teak was treated with some sort of reddish tinted waxy stuff which is suseptable to water spots, and can be removed (or at least redistributed) with acetone, and probably other solvents as well.

I rebuilt my stock Catalina traveler car with general purpose ballbearing sheaves. It now runs very smoothly on the round bar.

I used:

(2) Harken #277 "Micro" (bare sheave, 7/8"OD, 3/16"ID, 13/32"W),

(2) Harken #160 "Bullet" (bare sheave, 1-1/8"OD, 1/4"ID, 1/2"W),

(2) #10-24x1-1/2" machine screws with self locking nuts,

(1) 1/4-NCx1-1/4" machine screw with self locking nut,

misc. flat washers, lock washers, etc. as needed to fit.

I ground the peened ends off the stock rivets and drove them out with a punch. The rivets were replaced with the three machine screws.

The 1/2" wide Harken #160s ride on the underside of the traveler bar -- those are your monorail wheels. The Harken #277s are for the 3/16" 2:1 traveler control lines, and are held by the same #10-NC machine screws as the Harken #160s. Where the mainsheet shackle attaches to the top hole in the traveler car, I have only a stainless steel bushing around the 1/4" bolt -- no sheave.

I ground the peened ends off the stock rivets and drove them out with a punch. Don't loose any tiny parts! The rivets were replaced with the #10 machine screws.

-- Leon Sisson

(edited to add traveler info dug up from [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=5633&whichpage=2"]the archives[/url])

Edited by - Leon Sisson on 02/12/2007 09:37:15

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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 05:39:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Leon Sisson
 There's a way to rebuild the stock traveler car using 4 or 5 Harken ball bearing blocks in place of the stock rollers and sheaves. I thought there were at least one or two detailed descriptions in the achives.

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I'll have to check but I believe the new blocks on CD's car are Harken's.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 07:57:15

[url="http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=MPS&Category_Code=SELFCONT"]Harken Self Contained Sheaves[/url]

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 09:39:15

Jim, I had a 1981 C25, and the stock traveler car was held together by two rivets. In order to replace the sheaves, you had to drill out the rivets and replace them with bolts of the same diameter and locking nuts. After you do that, you can replace the sheaves, which are standard sizes, and obtainable from many sources.

You can buy and replace the complete traveler car for $41.19. You can get them from Catalina Direct, and they are held together by bolts and nuts, rather than rivets, so they're more easily rebuildable. You can find them by clicking on the following hyperlink:

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?currentpage=2&fuseaction=category.display&category_id=40&sort=name

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 10:02:11

After rebuilding my car with Harken sheaves I went on to change my control system, I liked it a lot.

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Justin
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 10:09:12

Frank, do you recall what size of sheaves are needed? Steve mentions the new cars sold by CD are bolted and not riveted. Are the originals riveted? I was planning to buy a new car from CD, but now that I'm reading that it's able to be rebuilt, that may be a cheaper option.

Thanks,

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 11:05:48

I will have to check but I bought 4 of both sizes that Leon lists above and then only used one size. I will check at home tonight and email you some photos.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 19:38:55

Frank has a good mod on the traveler - but I think that mine is better 'coa the crew can work it!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 20:45:28

I uses 4 of the 160's and a bare bushing at the top

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jimfj
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Response Posted - 02/13/2007 : 10:23:32

Thanks everybody for the help on the traveler. My car is put together with rivets and I will have to drill them out for the relacement. I like the idea of the one handed control to move the traveler. I think I have enough spare blocks to make that work.

I will take some pics and post the mods when I get a little farther along.

Gratefully,

Jim

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/13/2007 : 21:42:29

Catalina Direct sells the replacement traveler car. It's the entire car and it's easy to replace. A great alternative for those of us who are not workshop jockeys.
David

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