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reuben
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Initially Posted - 04/30/2007 : 14:18:15

New halyards arrived last week - these have a small sewn loop or eye at the end designed, I think, for attaching to the old halyard so it can be pulled through the mast without mishap. I'm soliciting advice for how to best fasten old to new so they run freely & won't part inside the mast. Thanks -

Reuben
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Bayfield, WI

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 14:38:22

That eye is for the shackle at the headboard of the sail. There was a recent discusion on reeving new halyards, and the best suggestion (IMHO) was to butt join the old to the new and sew them, then cover w/ a thin wrap of tape. That's going to be method this weekend.

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reuben
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 14:52:03

Hi Jerry -- nope, the eye for the shackle is at the other end, larger & heavier. This eye is for reaving only (so says the attached label). Think I'm going to end up using the stitch & tape method though as it seems least likely to hang up inside the spar.

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esailor
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 16:16:32

I've done the sew and tape method dozens of times. Never have had the first issue. Generally done with the mast up.

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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 17:02:15

Remember you can cut up the old halyard, so you can cut the headboard shackle off the old halyard and melt it to get a nice clean butt. If I had a "reeveing loop", (new one on me), I might sew strip of cloth to the old halyard, pass it through the reeveing loop, and sew the other end onto the old halyard as well; loop to loop. You could stagger the locations of the ends of the cloth strip to avoid too much diameter build up on one spot of the old halyard. Probably 6-10 loops of heavy thread would work as well as the strap and be much faster.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 18:32:29

I've always stitched the ends together. I splice all my own stuff so everything I get has two plain ends. Six stitches and a small piece of tape.

Reeving loop is way new to me too -

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dmattlin
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 02:53:59

Sewing might be the best bet. I replaced mine last year and did NOT do this. I just taped the end together, used a little extra tape and figured "That should hold her".. As soon as the two ends made their way into the pully I quickly had two ends of line laying at my feet..

Payed a rigging guy 20 bucks.. DONE!

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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 05:47:50

Can't speak for a C250 masthead, but on my C25, if the reeving loop was larger than the diameter of the line, it wouldn't make it through my masthead.

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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 10:27:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 Can't speak for a C250 masthead, but on my C25, if the reeving loop was larger than the diameter of the line, it wouldn't make it through my masthead.
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I assume it is cored; I wonder if it really is.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 13:06:45

You can do what we did which was to tape them together very tightly. Then, when the connection reaches the sheeve at the top of the mast, it gets jammed and you pull harder. Then the connection breaks. Then you lower the mast to get it done.

Sewing sound like the best bet. Keep the connection flexible or it wont go through the sheeve area. There is very little tolerance up there and your connection must be able to make a very tight turn.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 19:26:58

Have you spoken w/ your supplier to get their explanation? Failing that, and I hate to say it, but I'd consider chopping off the smaller eye - can't understand how it will fit over/through your mast head....

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 21:03:18

Is it possible that the small sewn in eye loop is for you to attach a fine “messenger” line to?

Step 1: Attach the messenger line to one end of the old halyard. It is thin, so you can just sew it through or tie it to the halyard.

Step 2: Gently pull the halyard through the mast, which will also feed the messenger line through the mast. Now discard the old halyard.

Step 3: Tie the messenger line to the new halyard.

Step 4: Use the messenger line to pull it through the mast.

Since the eye is smaller than the line, you should have no problem with the sheave at the top.

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reuben
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Response Posted - 05/03/2007 : 08:14:54

Thanks all. I did call the rigging shop at West Marine but couldn't reach anyone; finally pulled a foot or so of core out of the old halyard & cut off the same distance of exterior weave, then tied the core tightly to the reeving loop and taped round it. Cake. Tomorrow we haul to new water -- Bayfield, Wisconsin, and the Apostle Islands. Anyone familiar?

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Andy_334
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Response Posted - 05/05/2007 : 11:54:24

[hijack]

Bayfield, WI is a wonderful place to be. The Apostle Islands are very scenic, and Bayfield itself has a charm all its own.

If you are into racing, there is a pretty active racing scene organized by the Apostle Island Station of the Wayzata Yacht Club (schedule online at http://wyc.org/Schedule-AIS.htm). I know there are also other Clubs in Bayfield as well.

Bayfield race week is held during the first week of July. It is a wonderful week long festival of sailing, with a spectacular firework display on the 4th. Sailfest takes place on the Saturday following race week. It is a chance for cruising sailors to try their hand at racing in a low-key, run atmosphere, with assistance from volunteer racers.

Hope you enjoy your new location.

[/hijack]

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 18:49:45

FYI - I reeved the new halyards this weekend, using the stitching method, it couldn't have worked better!
Many thanks for a great recommendation

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