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Ed
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Initially Posted - 07/17/2002 : 21:56:59

Thanks in advance, gentlemen, for all the help. Most will think I've got a screw loose, but I'd like to position a 3 pass pwc on the foredeck (I trailer everywhere) thereby allowing me to eliminate using 2 tow vehicles, separating family, etc. I have fashioned a cradle but I'm wondering whether or not the forestay (tabernacle is hinged forward) is capable of handling the approx 650 lb lift from waterline to the deck. Any ideas? I've only been sailing a little over a year and absolutely love my '79, having survived a year of knocking around in a Mac 26x, listening to the gelcoat crack with every step taken. Again, thanks so much to all who labor on this site.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 : 23:16:04

Welcome, Ed...

I can't quite picture what you're doing with the forestay and mast, but I will caution that you're plan will substantially shift your center of gravity forward and higher on the trailer. As for the stay, the cable itself probably can survive several times that weight, but I'd wonder about the attachments. Give us some more details on how you're thinking of lifting... But I doubt that I would want somebody doing it with mine.

Now, let's check those screws... <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/18/2002 : 00:21:03

I hate to pop your bubble but I dont think the foredeck is designed for a 650lb load. Nor would the rigging support being used to lift it from the water. Pad eyes pullies ect will fail. The only recomendation I can make is to modify your trailer amd mount it there. Nothing could be more ugly than a boat covered in stress cracks. IMHO.

Doug&Ruth
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Tacoma Wa.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/18/2002 : 16:24:59

Ed,
I admire your sense of creativity but I think this one falls outside the bell shaped curve. The stemhead fitting on the earlier models did not have the strap that attaches to the hull. Unless you're proficient with rigging and calculating loads, I think I'd consider Doug's idea.
How about hinging the transom Ed and storing the PWC under the cockpit? Put a couple hydraulic actuators on there . . . would make a great swim platform . . . <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/18/2002 : 17:32:45

Thinking it over again I think you should switch to a McGregor. No substancial mast or sails but one heck of a big motor so that you can speed back and forth between the patches of wind. Even capable of pulling a water skier.

Doug&Ruth
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 07/18/2002 : 18:17:59

Ya know...sometimes separating family isn't a bad thing...owwh <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>.

I just have trouble picturing a sailboat and a pwc together. They're just such opposite ends of the spectrum. One made for relaxing and tuning into the natural surroundings and the other for shattering the atmosphere with noise and annoying everyone within earshot.

Seriously, though, 650 lbs. on the foredeck (even if you did figure out how to get it there) and a few miles of uneven road and bumps, you'd have the pwc in the V berth. Not a good plan. If you were trailing a fin keel, you might be able to find a way to put it on the trailer somewhere under the sailboat, but a swinger probably sits too low to find room.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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Ed
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Response Posted - 07/18/2002 : 20:43:28

Thanks to everyone for your ideas. Nothing like sounding like a lunatic the first time out on a great site such as this. The gentleman I purchased the boat from was not as diplomatic as you kind folks ("What are you, some kind of *%#~*^~ nut?!?" ). I'm rigging up something for the roof of the Suburban. As for the PWC hatred out there, I thoroughly understand. However the new 4 strokes are fabulous
and the pwc crowd we run with is working very hard to see that the inconsiderate clods who ruin it for others get spanked. I LOVE to sail but the kids love to tube/ski so.........Can't we all just get along?!? Regards

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/18/2002 : 22:09:37

Ed welcome to the board anyway. All recreational vehicles have their place. My idea would be to extend your trailer and add a cradle for the PWC. You would of course need to balance it out somehow. Hope you will enjoy your sailing and let us know how it goes. Some times ya gota have a thick skin.

Doug&Ruth
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LeighMarie
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 07:53:35

Sorry to sounds so ignorant, but I can't figure out what a "PWC" is. What is it?

Dave & Sharon on "Leigh-Marie"
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 08:17:17

I believe he is referring to a "Personal Water-Craft" or Jet ski wave runner type thing.

Duane Wolff
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capn rick
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 09:31:55

Only problem I have attaching a PWC to my boat would be getting a big enough crowbar to pry the wreckage off the bow so I could finish the day sail. :)

Capn Rick
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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 10:52:51

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The gentleman I purchased the boat from was not as diplomatic as you kind folks ("What are you, some kind of *%#~*^~ nut?!?" ).
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Ed,
Glad to hear you realize the reputation PWC users have made for themselves and that you're not one of them.
The running joke at our marina: "What's the pre-requisite for owning a jetski? You have to be an a**hole!" <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Steve Madsen
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 12:07:49

Ed,
How will you get the pwc on and off the Suburban roof? That seems like a lot of work. Even with someone on each corner of the pwc, that's a 162.5 lb. lift.

Is there any way to find room at the back of the trailer (one side or the other) to fit a cradle? Then you could back the trailer down the ramp, launch the pwc, back the trailer a bit further to launch the boat. Maybe tow the pwc like a dinghy when no one's using it, although that's a pretty heavy dinghy.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/19/2002 : 14:34:08

What about in the back of the suburban... build something on casters with a collapsable ramp.....?

The only other thought would be to build something for the cockpit. You have a little more structural soundness in that area..Then you could theoretically use the boom as a davit of sorts . (with a little ingenuity and a few spare parts that is)...just make sure that you leave room to steer the C-25 thing so you can get it onto the trailor.

Duane Wolff
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Ed
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Response Posted - 07/20/2002 : 13:53:03

Thanks for all the great ideas/help.

Regards,

Ed

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MattL
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Response Posted - 07/22/2002 : 04:00:07

OK, how about this. Last week I saw a pickup truck, big one, pulling a 5th wheel. Behind the 5th wheel he was also pulling a huge pontoon boat. I asked a cop, he said yea it's legal but you don't see it that often. I don't know about a regular trailer pulling another trailer, but it might be an easy solution. If I were doing this I would not drive too fast either. I also immagin backing up would be a bear.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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FK/SR _/)

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/22/2002 : 09:39:47

Matt,

The fifth wheel you saw probably had electric brakes, which are much more functional than the surge brakes on most of our boat trailers. My truck brakes and trailer surge brakes are in tip-top condition, and stopping my heavy boat and trailer still scares me to death at times. I'd hate to add the weight of another brakeless trailer and pwc to the mix.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 07/22/2002 : 11:24:29

Any way you could talk the kids into trading the PWC for a Zodiak or similar motorized inflatable? Todd Frye.

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goodone
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Response Posted - 07/23/2002 : 21:49:09

Your delemma is simple to solve. Trade the suburban in for a pickup
either extended cab or better yet crew cab.Beat the kids up to pay the price difference that if they wanna ride, they gotta pay!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/24/2002 : 10:51:51

Good one, Goodone!! <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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