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Chris Z
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Initially Posted - 07/02/2007 :  14:03:31  Show Profile  Visit Chris Z's Homepage
Has anyone purchased a kickup rudder from this company? I really like the strut to control the rudder.
http://www.ruddercraft.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=37
Chris Z.
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 07/02/2007 :  14:50:08  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
Chris,
I haven't yet but am threatening to. There's some good discussion at the " New Balanced Rudder Crack" thread. Also Catalina Direct sells what looks to be the exact rudder for $699.
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/02/2007 :  15:03:41  Show Profile
I'm wondering just how balanced this rudder is since the leading edge of this rudder is in line with the pintles (the pivot point) while the balanced rudder has a portion of the rudder ahead of the pintles.

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 07/02/2007 :  23:30:49  Show Profile  Visit Chris Z's Homepage
Well, I am not so sure I agree with having a rudder with the leading edge forward of the pintles. I just look at the axis point and it doesn't seem right. I am already thinking of building one just to see what I can come up with. I would like to try one that is more vertical and maybe a bit longer. This would help with weather helm. They also mention on this web site that the shape is better. Has anyone purchased this rudder?
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/03/2007 :  04:51:46  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Chris Z</i>
<br />Well, I am not so sure I agree with having a rudder with the leading edge forward of the pintles.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Having the leading edge forward of the pintles is what the newer balanced rudder is all about.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/03/2007 :  07:59:47  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Every spade rudder ever hung under a boat has a significant portion of the rudder forward of the rudder post, i.e. axis of rotation. I assume a higher aspect ration allows an unbalanced rudder to have a lighter helm.
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jkoeh
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Response Posted - 07/03/2007 :  23:10:15  Show Profile
The rudder is actually made by idasailor.com
I have the old version of the kick up rudder from them without the gas strut and it is a great improvement over the standard rudder supplied on my 78 C25. If you talk to idasailor, they do not call this a "balanced" rudder in the sense that it has a significant portion ahead of the pintles, however, they did completely engineer the total profile to minimize turbulence and minimize required steering force. They said it is more than just putting some of the rudder ahead of the pintles, that alone doesn't produce a great result. In addition to being able to steer with one finger in all but the heaviest conditions, there was a considerable reduction in weather helm. Idasailor is a truly professional outfit, it is owned by a racer and they really bent over backwards to help me when my old rudder broke while bringing the vessel from Cleveland to its new home in Port Clinton Ohio. You will also find that idasailor charges actual shipping, my shipping from Idaho was about $30, I think CD wanted $79.

Here is the link to the actual manufacturer/seller:

http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=462

I think they also have a fixed design for around $429. The kick up rudder has saved me several times here on the west end of Erie where shallows are common.
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stampeder
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Response Posted - 07/03/2007 :  23:30:42  Show Profile
thanks for the link to Idasailor.
Kick-up rudder sounds like an excellent choice.
I'd sure like to have my rudder out of the water while on the mooring ball.
And without a core - I'd be able to leave the rudder on the boat over the winter and not have to store it in my basement.
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/04/2007 :  11:53:45  Show Profile
This design would eliminate the problem of catching a crab pot line "or racing strting line bouy" between the balanced rudder and the slight trailing edge "keel" of our boats.

I have first hand knowledge of this problem.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/04/2007 :  13:26:51  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Gloss</i>
<br />This design would eliminate the problem of catching a crab pot line "or racing strting line bouy" between the balanced rudder and the slight trailing edge "keel" of our boats.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
You mean by helping you steer more adroitly around them?
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/04/2007 :  22:26:00  Show Profile
I always steer adroitly. That's because I'm demure.
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