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Will I miss my stern rail if I remove it?

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Megsskipper
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Response Posted - 07/25/2007 : 00:40:37

Dave,

your "butchering job" is brilliant...I like it alot...

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/25/2007 : 08:32:44

I've received no complaints from the next two owners, both of whom have told me how much they've enjoyed Passage. And I doubt either has had the slip configuration that inspired that mod.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/25/2007 : 08:38:15

I wish I had a picture of the O'day - that bar is missing and is actually replaced by the ladder in the up position. A 2 foot peice of lifeline spans the gap and wraps through the ladder to keep it in place. It wouldn't be that hard to add on to Dave's mod and would give you the best of both worlds. They might even have the looped ended caps to accomodate the lifeline somewhere at the Evil Empire.

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Response Posted - 07/27/2007 : 10:03:34

For those who have never seen reference to requiring pulpits on a sailing vessel, find and read "Offshore Special Reulations, Extract for Race Category 3 Monohulls. I believe US Sailing has a copy on their web site. While it does not apply to the original question and only to racing, subparagraph 3.14.3 requires that a bow pulpit be installed either ahead of or behind the head stay,and that a stern pulpit or lifelines must be installed completely surrounding the working deck.

Our club requires that all racers comply with this safety regualtion in order to race on Lake Superior. I am surprised that some of our more hardcore racers do not know of this regulation, particularly those that have raced or race regularly at places that host large race events - Cleveland for instance.

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Response Posted - 07/27/2007 : 19:52:06

I like the class rules for the Sonar--a hot little 23-foot daysailor that severely smokes the C-25: Nobody allowed outside of the cockpit. (I guess that's chicken-racing...)

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Response Posted - 07/28/2007 : 12:48:50

Category 3 is a little overkill for club racing on the great lakes, at least the around the buouy stuff Though I'm sure it gives the club some piece of mind from lawsuits. Do they make exceptions for boats not originally built with that stuff?

Working Deck ends at the cockpit... Take a look at 3.14.3 i. Stern rail would not be needed in this case. Also look at the pic from page 1.

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Response Posted - 07/28/2007 : 13:04:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Admin
 Category 3 is a little overkill for club racing on the great lakes, at least the around the buouy stuff...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
...although in a Chicago-Mackinaw race on a C-25, I might want a roll cage. There are some looooooooong stretches between places to take cover on northern L. Michigan.

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Response Posted - 07/28/2007 : 16:39:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Admin
 Category 3 is a little overkill for club racing on the great lakes, at least the around the buouy stuff...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
...although in a Chicago-Mackinaw race on a C-25, I might want a roll cage. There are some looooooooong stretches between places to take cover on northern L. Michigan.
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wouldn't argue with that - besides needing to apply for an invite you need to have your boat inspected prior to the race - They run with what appears at a quick glance to be category ii regs

http://www.chicagoyachtclub.org/racetomackinac/pdf/2007CMSRMonohull.pdf

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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 14:44:47

Only the first time you lean back against it thinking it's still there. I can't imagine removing any of the railings on board least of all the stern rail..I rest against it,standing, when I get tired of sitting and sailing.

Why would you want to remove it?

Val on Calista #3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 14:59:11

Yesterday during a marathon sun up to sundown sail, I pondered not having a stern rail, and I wouldn't have a boat without one. I too use it extensively as a backrest and arm rest. I sometimes sit on the coaming with the stern rail as a backrest.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 08/01/2007 : 13:03:00

Our club follows the cat 3 offshore reg on Lake Superior with only minor modification, mostly dealing with structural requirements which many older boats can't meet. We want participation foremost but safety is paramount. In no case will a club vessel race without pulpits and lifelines on Lake Superior. With a water temp averaging around 55 degrees, we don't want anyone falling overboard for any reason.

These are distance races of 18 to 30 miles and may require some night sailing. We are less stringent on "around-the-bouys" racing on our inland lake venue. To clarify, we do most of our racing on an inland lake connected on both ends to Lake Superior by ship canal. It is a one hour motor from my mooring on the inland - Portage Lake, to Lake Superior.

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