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GaryB
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Initially Posted - 08/18/2007 : 10:27:14

Looking through this site and many others I'm finding a hard time developing a feel for what the different year models should sell for. It seems like the asking prices are all over the place. I'm looking at a '89 Tall Rig/ Wing Keel that is in very good condition and has a full cover for the cockpit and cabin top, outboard, a 150 furling genoe and mainsail in average condition. No trailer. Looking through the various sites I feel the boat is worth $9,500.00 to maybe $10,000.00.

Does anyone have a better feel for waht this boat might be worth?

Thanks in advance for your help!

GaryB

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GaryB
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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 10:49:06

Gary, That is a great year and style of boat you are looking at. That would have been my criteria, though the wing keel is slower than the swing

But I would go to www.catalinaowners.com or www.sailboatowners.com and check there. Also the area you are buying from somewhat dictates price ie: smaller boats near the ocean bring smaller prices whereas smaller boats near inland lakes bring higher prices. Hope that helps...

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 11:58:51

Alan,

These are a couple of websites that I used to come up with the numbers I mentioned. I've found some comparably equipped boats that have sold in Texas.
1. '88 sold in March '05 for $10,5500.00 or less.
2. '89 sold in March '06 for $9,450.00 or less.
3. '90 sold in January '05 for $11,950.00 or less.
4, 1995 C250 currently listed in California for $11,000.00 with a trailer.

The '89 model I mentioned was listed at $13,900.00 and I offered $10,000.00. They're countering at $12,500.00 which isn't going to happen. I feel pretty strongly that my offer was fair if not generous so I guess I'm going to have to walk away.

GaryB

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 12:33:07

Gary, One of the things to take into consideration is how little or lot of work will need to be done to the boat. You will always do things that you want to do to make it yours BUT there is a point where you see a value in your time and what the state of the boat is ie: teak is oiled, all electronics work, there is documentation with the boat,the motor was recently serviced ETC. There had to be somewhat of a better value for that than you doing it all and no paperwork. You have also to put a value on your time. Also saltwater or freshwater has a value and a texas boat gets a hotter sun longer than a minnesota boat which can have an effect.Hope this helps, just some thoughts..

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 18:02:09

Alan,

You are correct! This boat appears to have been very well maintained. The boats already been polished and the teak has been re-done and is covered by a full length cover that covers everything from the front hatch to the transom. I didn't see any stains on the bulkheads from the chain plates leaking. In the short time I had to look at the boat the only thing I saw that might need attention is the rudder. It appears it will need to be replaced soon.

If I knew how to post a picture I would attach it.

Thanks for your input!
Gary

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 21:25:25

Gary, I think that you are right on target, How is the running rigging?, Standing rigging?. Any documentation about the engine service? Any VHF or electronics or safety equipment (Lifejackets etc) Anchor (s) . All add to value. The full length boat cover certainly helps. The trailer adds about $1500-2,000 here. I think you both are close to a deal again,sails quantity and quality and storage /dockage may also come into play. Just IMHO

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 22:30:03

Alan,

Running rigging is OK for now. Probably mid-life. I only glanced at the standing rigging but it appeared to be in good condition. There is no trailer.

Here's the list of equipment:
Main Sail
150% Roller Furling Genoa
Boom Vang
Bottom Job in 2006 (Boat has been kept on Hydrohoist until recently)
Telescoping Whisker Pole
Deck,Lifeline,Motor,Winch, Tiller, and Front Hatch Covers As I mentioned before the deck cover goes from the front hatch to the transom and covers everything including all of the cockpit)
Cockpit Cushions
A couple of self-tailing, and a couple of regular winches
3 color coordinated fenders
9.9 Yamaha 4 Cycle Motor
Motor Mount
110 Volt dockside power w/50' cable
New Jabsco Full Marine Head w/ holding tank
2 burner alcohol stove with cutting board
Pop Top with enclosure
6 life vests, 2 anchors, 2 fire extinguishers, 1 safety flag, 1 throwable cushion with whistle
Boom Mounted Sun Shade
Gas Grill with cover
AM/FM Stereo cassette with 10 disc CD Changer and Bose Speakers
Depth and Speed Indicators
2 Manta Sun Shades (these are really cool)

The boat was recently detailed and waxed.

Thanks for your input!
Gary

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 22:38:55

Alan,

By the way , this is a fresh water only boat.

GaryB

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/18/2007 : 22:40:28

I would ask 12,500-13,000 for mine with a trailer. If you get past that price you are spitting close to 15,000; which opens up a lot of nice boats to consider.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 07:32:10

Frank,

Is your boat a wing keel or a swing keel? I have a lead on a trailer that looks alot like yours that was setup for a swing keel. I was wondering if it could be adjusted to carry a wing keel?

Also, do you think a 1/2 ton Chevy Silverado would pull this boat OK for a once or twice a year tow of about 250 miles? The truck has a 4.8L V-8 and a towing package.

Thanks in advance for your input!
Gary

Edited by - GaryB on 08/19/2007 08:00:39

brrit
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 09:10:01

Gary:

I purchased my C-25 in the Dallas area earlier this summer, and, personally, I found that these boats are holding their values pretty well around here. Unless you are looking for a real fixer-upper, the price your looking at is on the high side, but pretty close to right for the market these days.

I had a hard time swallowing this fact, but after watching a boat or two sell in this price range quicker than I could get to see them (within a week), I started raising my target price.

Wish I could say that I'm loving the boat and she sails like a dream, but I'm still waiting for the lake levels to fall to splash her. But, she sure looks pretty sitting on that trailer in the grass.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 09:34:39

brrit,

The boat I'm looking at does not have a trailer so now I'm really begining to think I'm paying to much.

BTW, is your boat sitting on the trailer in front of Scott's Landing Marina?

Gary

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brrit
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 10:05:32

Gary:

Yes! That's my boat in front of Scott's Landing. Been just sitting there since late May/early June. I didn't pay for the trailer either, it is the PO's.

Are you looking at putting the boat on Lake Grapevine? From what I can tell, there are 4 or 5 club members there with 25s. Lots of 22s and few 30s as well.

We love the lake, but are really struggling when we know that we could have been sailing quite some time ago on Ray Hubbard. Oh well, when all is said and done it will be a funny story.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 10:28:00

brrit,

I saw it from the road but did not have a chance to go over and look at it. It looks like a nice boat.

The boat I'm trying to buy is at the marina. I want to move it to Lake Travis. I live in Houston so Travis would be much closer. My wife's mother lives in Denton so we may leave it at Grapevine for a while but I first have to make a deal.

Hey, maybe we could work out a trade! I wanted a fin keel and you want to sail. :)

Gary

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 10:45:14

Well,

I guess it wasn't meant to be! The owner won't take less than $12,500.00 without a trailer.

Gary

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 12:29:12

Gary,
Your boat is out there. It's a buyer's market. Methinks this seller will eventually figure that out. Good luck.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 12:57:38

John,

I appreciate the words of encouragement. I'm just getting tired of looking. I really thought we could work this deal out

Part of the problem with this deal is that I'm the first person to look at the boat and make an offer. The broker said the guy feels he can get more for the boat. Maybe he can. I told the broker to call me back if the guy decides he wants to get serious.

What gets me is this guy just bought a $400,000 sailboat about two months ago and he wants to jack around trying to squeeze every dime out of his old boat.

Gary

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 15:11:34

Must be where you are...25's are going for a lot less around here...

[url="http://www.faysboatyard.com/site_page_139/item_22343.html?listing_page=listing_sum_index_1.html"]C25 on Winnipesaukee[/url]

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/19/2007 : 15:24:06

From what I've researched the boat you have listed is about where C25's in Texas have been listed over the past year and what I was expecting to have to pay. I was hard pressed to even offer $10.5K. Apparently there's a run on C25's in the Dallas area this year.

I want to sail on Lake Travis in Central Texas and I spent almost a week up there the week before last and there were none for sale in the age range I'm looking for. I think I hit or called every marina on the lake.

Thanks for your input!
Gary

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/20/2007 : 09:55:31

There is a magazine called Northern Breezes that lists classifieds for the great lakes area, it has an 89 Catalina 25 for $17.500. The Winnipesaukie boat is not a final model, it is one of the last of the older model, a real '89 is worth quite a bit more.
As to the question of whether or not my boat is a swing, there were no swings by then, the wing replaced the swing as a better solution to the shoal problem.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 08/20/2007 : 10:34:28

Gary - give Canyon Lake Marina a call 830-935-4333 and ask for Don King or Ginger. I know that there were three C25's for sale a month or so ago although I don't know their configurations(one has sold). Right now the marina road is closed and to visit you'd have to wait for the lake to recede (probably about 2 weeks).

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/20/2007 : 19:05:07

Derek,

Thanks for the tip! I haven't been able to decide if I want to keep the boat at Travis or Canyon. I raced on a Cal 29 a couple of times at Canyon back in the mid-70's. The boat belonged to Lloyd Lindsey at that time.

I looked at a O'Day 23 at Canyon back in June or early July. It was a very nice boat but we couldn't come to an agreement on price. At that time there was a C25 that had just been puchased by a couple.. I wasn't aware there were any others.

Gary

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/20/2007 : 19:07:50

Thank you for the name of the magazine Frank. Does the wing keel load pretty easy on your trailer? The trailer I'm looking at looks exactly like yours except it has another set of rollers that support the back of the boat.

Gary

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 17:42:45

Gary -- I have been in you shoes before and, yes, it's mighty frustrating. For what it's worth while I know I am not in your local boat market, up here in the expensive NY metro area you can get a good condition C-25 for under $5k -- and for another @$5k can replace sails, rigging, safety gear -- and if you are careful even the engine. While the boat you are looking at may look like a winner, you maybe able to get a structurally sound boat and nicely upgrade for the same or less. Good luck in your pursuit

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 19:06:25

bigelowp,

I know where I can get an '83 Tall Rig/Fin Keel that's in pretty good condition although it does have some water marks on the bulkheads near the chainplates. The deck seems to be solid around the shrouds and front hatch. In fact I didn't find any soft spots in the deck. I did feel a small spot in the cabin floor just as you step down from the ladder but it's in an area where the floor angles down and may be just the way the floor is made. I made a deal at one time for $5K on this boat but then backed away from it. It has an iffy motor and it needs a bottom job. Maybe I'll go back after it!

Time will tell.

Thanks for your ideas.

Gary

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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 19:58:50

Gary--that floor in the cabin was made with a dip in front of the companionway on all models up until 1989, because by then Catalina had dropped the swing keel. So the '89-90 has a lower, flat floor and therefore more headroom. That's one reason why '89-90s sell for significantly more than '88s and older. However, if you're on the tall side, the difference might not do you any good--you'll have to compare by going below on both boats. Frank Hopper can give you more details on the differences, since he's owned both. (I had one of the older models.)

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