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dwadle
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Initially Posted - 10/04/2007 : 07:22:10

This summer my second rudder cracked on my 2005 250k. So I emailed Frank Butler, and I was hooked up with some great guys at the Largo, FL factory. Within a few days, they had a new rudder for me. I drove there from Miami, made a beach weekend out of it with my family, and also got a grand tour of the factory.

I saw everything from the new 250mkII to the 47. There was about 60 boats all in some type of production at one time. Very impressive!!!

This last weekend, I painted the new rudder and installed it. This rudder is twice as heavy as the original, and hopefully it will last a lifetime.

If the weather holds this weekend, I'll be sailing Anastasia on the bay watching the Columbus Day Regatta here in Miami.

Cheers!

dmw

david m. wadle

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/04/2007 : 07:30:14

So, wanna give the details about the changes in the MkII? Anyting other than the port configuration?

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dwadle
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Response Posted - 10/04/2007 : 07:37:14

According to my tourguide, the boat being built here in Fla is a heavier boat. I know the rudder is! I was told the galley will be different, but I don't know the details. My tourguide was one of the line managers for the larger boats, so he was not as schooled on the 250.

I did not see the interior, but the new window/port looks really good from a distance. The boat looks a little longer...

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willy
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Response Posted - 10/04/2007 : 19:18:08

I'm heading to Annapolis tomorrow for the boat show and hopefully they will have the 250MKII there. i'll report back!

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 10/04/2007 : 21:07:27

Take a camera!

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zeil
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Response Posted - 10/04/2007 : 22:01:09

and take lots of inside and outside photos to post here asap

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mhartong
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Response Posted - 10/05/2007 : 17:11:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by zeil
 and take lots of inside and outside photos to post here asap

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Just got back from Annapolis. They do have a C250 MK 2 Wing Keel on display. Sorry no pictures- forgot and left camera on Persephone

Quick Highlights.

Changes from the late 2006/2007 model are not particular significant. First a Bomar smoked glass hatch is on the foredeck. While it is a nice touch for anyone in the V-berth, one will have to careful while working on the foredeck not to scratch it. There are two opening portholes in the place where the forward side windows were located. The side windows have been shortened up, and look like the windows on the Catalina 309. The cushion material was a green/gray. The table is the same size as before, only it has a much more intense wood grain pattern. No changes in the galley Seward 1 burner with cutting board top, and the blue cooler of melted ice.

The model on display was equipped with Edson small boat wheel steering. Porti-potty in the head. Battery is located aft center line as before , potable water tank forward under the V-berth. The non-skid texture is slightly different., and the spars are slightly different.

Boat show price $27,957 options and freight additional.

Mark

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willy
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Response Posted - 10/05/2007 : 17:44:22

I saw the boat today too. Having a water ballast, it was difficult to make real comparisons. Two things I noted as different,besides what Mark has already stated were the shelf configuration above the counter and it had a traveller mounted on the bridgdeck. These may be changes already made on the 06 models, or just differences on the wing keeled boat I don't know.

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Response Posted - 10/05/2007 : 18:30:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">traveller mounted on the bridgdeck.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Ok, where on the c250 is the 'Bridgedeck' located?

I have seen our models with a traveller just fwd of the Mainsheet blocks and the keel uphaul. Is that the 'bridgedeck'

I kinda like the idea... 'Scuse me honey, I'm just going up to the bridedeck!'

Paul

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 10/05/2007 : 19:50:24

Paul,
Here's the traveller, mounted on the bridgedeck of a '97 250wk.
Not much room for for crew on this bridgedeck...

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/06/2007 : 07:44:27

Dave & Deb, Jerry Butts of Boaters Exchange had his traveller located closeto that position. He installed a 4' traveller and loved it. i think his was just aft of the bridedeck lip with a supporting beam.

Paul

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/06/2007 : 09:18:35

A traveler has been a distinction between the w/b and wing since the wing was introduced in '96.

As to to the forward hatch... I can't imagine it is to provide more light, as there is certainly no lighting issues within the 250 that would justify the problems the hatch will bring when handling the ground tackle.

It has to be something else, perhaps a solution to the nagging rain gutter problem but more likely something else, but what?

My current guess is that Catalina simply wanted after thirteen years to produce a MKII model. This is a long standing sales gimmick to make buying new look more attractive than buying from used inventory.

I'm a bit cynical about this MKII offering in part because of comparison to the MKII C22 changes. Those changes were much more practical and yielded the buyer a distinctly improved boat, rather than one just having cosmetic changes, but that may be just me, I'm a practical kind of guy.

To argue my theory, the side windows were changed but were there any practical reasons for doing so... no. Was there a practical reason for changing the forward hatch... I doubt it and more than that think the decision was practically regressive.

Part of the cynicism is likely because over the years, there have been some practical issues that have clearly been identified but got only cosmetic changes.

One of those is the cabin table. The MKII again makes a cosmetic change where the problem has always been defined as a practical issue.

Another is the rigging, again some cosmetic spar changes that do nothing to deal with the practical changes that have long been needed to the rigging.

I hope my cynicism will be found errant by more information about the MKII changes, but as it stands now the MKII is a sales gimmick offering cosmetic changes of no practical value. Further... because of the forward hatch change, the MkII is a regressive model in practical terms thus making the previous model and used inventory more desirable, exactly the opposite effect that Catalina likely desired.

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 10/08/2007 : 18:48:10

I had hoped to see the new rudder at the Annapolis Sailboat Show, but it was stowed in the aft berth of the MK II and wrapped in bubble wrap.

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