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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 12:33:56

I'm guessing its to somehow keep a following sea out of the outboard opening.

As for using it as a swim platform, without handholds and a rung below the waterline, it would be kind of difficult to use as a boarding ladder.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:29:47

I was seeing the "steps" as structural supports. even more interesting.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 22:22:37

To answer the original question...for coastal sailing where you are sailing into tommorow's weather...I'd be looking at 27' or larger.
I stay with the C25 mainly for the purpose of being able to launch and retrieve it with my own resources. (my truck and trailer)

If I sailed where you are and had a slip, I'd have the largest sailboat I could afford, and that was allowed in my slip - up to a max of 34'.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/24/2007 : 08:12:28

A C27 was placed next to my C25 at the boatyard and as looked it over from my boat, it appeared that the C27 has less freeboard and the raised cabintop looks shorter lengthwise?

Although a lot more functional than the C25 traveller, I didn't particularly care for the placement of the traveller on the C27. It spanned the cockpit on the top front edge of the stern seat.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 13:02:18

For what it's worth, a C25 should be a little bit faster than a C-27. Surprisingly, according to the spec sheets, the C-25 has a longer waterline by about 5 inches.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:31:09

Thoretical hull speed (based on LWL) is just one piece of the puzzle, and only when close to THS on flat water. In various wind and sea conditions, rig, displacement, overhangs (which can lengthen the waterline at heel), underbody design, etc. all come into play.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 10:07:20

For years, I thought the C27 had a LWL that was only a fraction of an inch longer than the C25, but I just checked, and found that you're right - The C25's LWL is 22' 2" and the C27's LWL is 21' 9". Also, the C27's beam is 8' 10", compared with the C25's 8' beam. Thus, the C27 has a larger wetted surface than the C25, and considerably greater weight. As a result, the C25 has a higher theoretical hull speed, less weight and less drag. It's no wonder the C25 is faster than the C27. What still amazes me is that, even though the C25 is clearly faster, the C27 has to give handicap time to the C25.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 18:54:52

I believe that when it heels it picks up waterline which our boats don't do. Nobody sails flat.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 20:13:12

Two years ago, we were moored beside a C27. It looked like a much larger boat, side by side.
I was suprised it was a 27 footer. I had thought it was closer to 30'.

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listenup
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Response Posted - 11/10/2007 : 10:40:07

Moving from a wonderful sailing area (San Pedro, CA) to Southern Oregon has changed the way I used to sail. No more walking onto the boat, starting the engine, untie the dock lines and away you go. I have included a web-site (and wish you would take a look, scroll down to "1965 window treatment" and there is the last boat I had prior to moving up to Oregon. I lived on the boat for 6 years and it was very elegant and yet a very fast true blue water boat. The picture of the boat sailing was in the channel from 22nd. St Landing and within 400 yds of making the turn away from 22nd St the boat was doing 8 knots.
http://pearsoninfo.net/countess/countess.htm
My point: Being somewhat landlocked, I wanted a boat my wife and I could continue to sail (trailer 75 miles to Brookings Harbor on a regular basis was out of consideration), so settled on a Cat 22. Two seasons indicated it was too small. Just bought a very nice (older 1980) Catalina 25 and it appears to be just fine for trailer sailing. I have owned a Catalina 27 and it was ok for coastal sailing. The Catalina Channel can get a little unruly on short notice. BTW, the former owner bought a C30 and is in the process of having a trailer built to tow it. I think that is going too far.
Mike

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Response Posted - 11/10/2007 : 12:17:18

Michael: That's some blue-water vessel! Looks almost like a yawl, but not quite... (Rudder post right under the mizzen.) Love the staysails!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/10/2007 : 19:48:31

Very nice!

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/11/2007 : 10:39:24

That is a beautiful boat. You must miss it.

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listenup
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Response Posted - 11/12/2007 : 08:47:38

Me, miss that boat? Yes, it was a true delight in so many ways. We sailed it to Mexico and participated in the Newport to Ensenada race many times. My crew was a bunch of mutinous dogs. Only wanted to sail for the beer and women to be found in port. LOL
I lived on the boat for 6 years and it only took a few minutes to button down most items, and then, sail your home! Thanks all for your appreciation.
Mike

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At Ease
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Response Posted - 11/14/2007 : 17:33:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 To answer the original question...for coastal sailing where you are sailing into tommorow's weather...I'd be looking at 27' or larger.
I stay with the C25 mainly for the purpose of being able to launch and retrieve it with my own resources. (my truck and trailer)

If I sailed where you are and had a slip, I'd have the largest sailboat I could afford, and that was allowed in my slip - up to a max of 34'.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree.

If you have to trailer it, get the C25. If it's going to remain in a wet slip, get the C27. Bigger is better, unless it involves trailering.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/14/2007 : 18:17:56

My 25 is in a slip what allows me to have a 27. Now that I had Piseas II for a year now, not sure I would want a 27 as I am very fond of the tiller and outboard motor. I did want a new boat and most newer 27's have wheel and inboard. When I was looking a year ago I couldn't even find any newer ones.
I must confess, I have my name on a waiting list at my marina for a 30+. Yes 99.9% have wheels and inboard. Maybe I will just keep my newer 25!
Steve A

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John Bixby
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Response Posted - 11/15/2007 : 14:45:14

One thing to consider is where you are sailing. I looked at a 27
last month. It had a shoal keel which drafts 3' 6" as I recall. I
wasn't aware that Catalina had 3 keels to choose from on the 27's.
If you are on the Gulf Coast, ie Texas or Fla. a shorter keel is
worth looking into, but you do loose some ability to tack closer to
the wind like our 27 fin keels do.
JOHN on MS ACHSA

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/15/2007 : 15:14:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Bixby
 I wasn't aware that Catalina had 3 keels to choose from on the 27's...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Nor I. Fin, wing, and ???

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/15/2007 : 16:15:31

Water Ballast? NO WAY. I think there is only 2.
Steve A

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/15/2007 : 20:35:17

30s 5'3" or 4' or wing 27s I don't know, possibly the same but I doubt it.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/15/2007 : 20:49:00

Scheel keel?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/15/2007 : 22:55:25

According to the brochures on the C-27/270 association web site, there are only 2 keel configurations, full or fin and wing, except that the tall rig C-27 fin keel is 10" deeper than the std rig, so does that count as 3? The wing keel was not available until around 1988.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 09:45:23

Interesting coincidence.

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John Bixby
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 15:04:31

shoal keel, I called Catalina when I was looking at
a 27 and at one time they offered three and none were
water ballast.
3' 6" draft.
john on ms achsa

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