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Steve Blackburn
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Initially Posted - 03/14/2008 : 23:48:00

Hi guys,

I have a non convenient setup that I wish to change this season. I have 2 blocks on the mast that attach directly to the mast via a small back plate and cleats on the bottom. Nice piece of hardware where I can raise the halyard from the cockpit and lock in in place. However the problem is with placement where my jib sheets keep getting stuck around them when we tack.

I notice that most of your have mast steps where you can attach blocks. I don't have such a thing.

So I have 2 options.
1. Try lowering my existing hardware as much as possible and pray my sheets won't get caught.
2. Buy a new mast step, blocks, deck organizer all the way to rope clutches.

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Steve Blackburn, Calgary, AB
C250WB - 1999 - Hull 396

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 10:12:17

Steve, on the 2005 model 250WB, the flanges that on either side of the mast step are welded to the mast step.

From Tom Potters description of sealing a leak at the mast step, I gather that the mast foot plate is welded to the pole that passes through the cabin top down to the coffee table.

My guess is that if catalina would confirms, you could remove the 1999 maststep/pole and replace it with the 2005.

Alternatively, weld plates to the sides of your mast step plate.

Paul

Edited by - britinusa on 03/15/2008 10:12:38

zebra50
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 10:20:30

Steve One of Arlyns fixes for this problem works very well. I have used it for the past three or four years. The only problem I have is that after a year in the sun the shock cords need to be replaced. It is simply attahing an eye to the fron of the mast a few feet up from the deck, and running a shock cord thru it hooking on either side to the stanchions where the short cables attach for raising and lowering the mast. This forms an A, then run the jib sheets over this A to keep them off the deck and away from the blocks.

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Jarrett Anderson
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 10:40:30

I have the flange you pictured on my '99 WK -same year different equipment. I run my jib sheets outside the shrouds. I know the shrouds are in different locations on the WB, but this may be a quick fix. I run a 135 genoa, so if I rig inside the shrouds it gets hung.

Jarrett _/)

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 13:27:59

there are mast base blocks , that screw to the deck .

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 14:15:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SEAN
 there are mast base blocks , that screw to the deck.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The problem with them is that the pull against them, when the halyard is winched, is at an upward angle, which tends to break the bedding seal, causing leaks. The base plate is better--no new holes in the deck. It's an easy add-on to the C-25... What about the C-250?

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 15:21:47

Catalina Direct (where I took the mast step picture above from) only has models for the C25 and C30. I run my sheets inside since I have a 110% jib. When sheets start flapping in the air they get caught on the bottom block almost 75% of the time really annoying. This summer we wrapped a small PFD around these blocks once the sails where up, worked great but looks stupid.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 15:24:19

Looking at my picture, maybe I can pierce a side hole in my existing step plate forward of the mast so I can put in 2 eyes on both side. Then attach blocks to these eyes.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/15/2008 : 19:16:55

Call Catalina. Surely they sell the mast step and it is what you really should have.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 03/16/2008 : 19:40:48

Arlyn has fixed this through this low cost mod. I'll try this first. Thanks everyone and a special thanks goes to Arlyn for providing the solution on his web site.

[url="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/antifouline.html"]http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/antifouline.html[/url]

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 03/16/2008 19:43:21

AADIVER
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Response Posted - 03/16/2008 : 22:41:44

This is Arlyn's anti jib sheet fouling line setup. But I don't understand how he runs his port jib sheet aft through a block at the height of the port lifeline. Can anyone, including Arlyn, explain this mod?

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bill bosworth
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Response Posted - 03/17/2008 : 05:45:12

Steve;
I did a fix similar to Arlyn's, I found a shock cord at Lowe's or Home Depot that is made up of a plastic ball with a loop of shock cord about 6" long. I pull the shock cord loop through the hole in the bottom of the main halyard cleat then pull the ball through the loop. When we go sailing I pull the ball over the jib halyard cleat which pulls it and the main halyard cleat back out of the way. It's a simple cheap fix and a can of those shock cords with the ball on the end has many other uses around the boat. I think that I had to shorten the length of the loop to make it a little tighter by pulling the knot through the ball and making a new knot. I don't think I've fowled the jib sheet since I made this simple mod.

Bill
C250wb #134 Serendipity
on beautiful Kerr Lake, N.C.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 03/18/2008 : 16:49:26

The "shock cord" is bungee right? You didn't have to add that extra block on the lifeline like in the picture Frank has provided?

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SCnewbie
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Response Posted - 03/18/2008 : 20:09:27

That would be the Jib sheet twing he also describes on his page I believe. Arlyn's page is awesome!

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Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 03/19/2008 : 00:10:49

Steve,

Shock Cord and Bungee are the same thing.

The Jib sheet with the extra block in the picture is a different topic.
That allows you to adjust the jib draft (or twist) without moving the jib cars.

Russ #793

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/19/2008 : 10:07:52

Please be aware that Arlyn is a bungee junkie. If he could use bungee for halyards, he would.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 03/19/2008 : 10:59:39

I someone who's affliction is Stainless Steel.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/19/2008 : 14:05:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by AADIVER
 ...But I don't understand how he runs his port jib sheet aft through a block at the height of the port lifeline...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">As Newbie says, that's a "twing"--a nice way to be able to adjust the lead angle of the jib sheet for wind strength without having to move the cars. Note that the twing line, instead of the sheet, goes down to the car and then back to the cockpit where it can be adjusted. Edit: Oops--Rus already said that.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 03/19/2008 14:07:36

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