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Oksky
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Initially Posted - 03/30/2008 : 00:00:29

I would like to install a two burner gimbaled propane stove in the original stove hole. It has the popular microwave conversion. After searching the archives I see there are lots of stove conversions involving chopping, cutting, alcohol (probably more than one type

) but nothing specifically saying anyone has just unbolted the old alcohl one and installed the new propane stove. Does anyone have a make and model of a stove that is basically a drop in? Installing the hose etc is no problem for me.

Mike

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 06:57:14

there are a couple of guys here who have replaced the stove without modification. What I did is if you have the original stove, you can remove it, and take out the burner assemblies and block off the alchohol supply lines etc. Then you can use the sterno cans,(you know the type , they use in a buffet) and they fit inside where the burners used to be, they work great, are safe and the stove looks original,,
but besides that Im sure there are alot of stoves that can be used

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 09:42:09

>" unbolted the old alcohol one and installed the new propane stove."

You aren't going to find an exact drop-in match. (well, nobody has so far anyway)

It costs about $25 to convert the original 'chassis' to propane. There are several articles onboard here on how to do it. A couple of us have extra orginal alchohol stoves available for the asking (you pay shipping) if you want one to convert.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 11:10:50

Buy one or two of these -

http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Butane-Burner-Stove-Free/dp/B000BVC4NY

Remove the original alcohol stove and drop the new burners in place and trim to suit.
Let me know how it turns out and I'll try it.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 11:20:11

Or you could buy one of these, that I just found for More $$$ that is made to drop in place of an alcohol stove

http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/Stoves_Cooktops-SEAWARD_ONE_BURNER_BUTANE_STOVE.html

Must be the "marine quality construction" that makes the difference in $$$.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 11:59:27

I still have and use my alcohol Princess. Catching the prime has never been a problem and the curtain is pulled back before lighting. The curtain slide track is aluminum in our 79. We have never used the gimbaled feature or the clamps as stove is used at mealtimes at anchor. Cheese and crackers if we are in a rough sea. Propane is more dangerous as an unburned fuel that can settle in the hull. I am in the final installation of the Force 10 propane heater so I am following the suggestions of the Forum.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 14:23:36

I have the original gimballed curtain burner stove that has been converted to Propane. I like it and use it frequently.
The modification was made by the PO, so Idon't know the cost exactly but I've seen the parts in RV stores, so it looks easy enough to do and fairly cost effective.
I've found that RV Outlets are a good source for many interior projects and of course, towing needs.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 15:34:15

Wow, Mike--your PO created a whole new interior layout! (...or did you do that?) Got some more views?

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 17:19:26

The PO made this Mod.
He is 6'8" and wanted somewhere to sleep - so he moved the galley to the Stbd side and extended the settee on the Port side.
I will post pictures in another thread. (next week)

My favorite config is the Dinette...but I didn't want to make my buying decision on a 25 year old boat based too much, on the interior. This config is okay. The more I think about it - the more I wonder why he didn't simply widen the Stbd settee or extend the Quarterberth. This is not a mod I would have made, but again, I don't mind it. The boat is in balance and everything works.

The main reason I bought this boat is because of the Surveyor's recommendation.

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Oksky
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Response Posted - 03/30/2008 : 21:41:03

Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll have to beg/bribe someone for an old alcohol stove. Any takers? Please let me know. I'm not sure how much we would use it while sailing but better to have and not use than want and can't use. The propane I'm not worried about at all. In one of my previous lives I was certified to install and service propane systems. They are like most things in life. Play by the rules and seldom are there problems.

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 03/31/2008 : 15:09:18

ClamBeach said: "A couple of us have extra orginal alchohol stoves available for the asking" I would be very interested in getting one of the original alcohol stoves. Glad to pay the shipping. My 78 is missing the stove all together.

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mcollard
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Response Posted - 04/04/2008 : 19:19:43

Lately, I have seen a number of different models of alcohol stoves on ebay for decent prices. I usually look at CD for the things that I want, and then I check ebay to see if anyone wants to get rid of things that I want. I purchased an propane, rail mount grill that way at significant savings.

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Oksky
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Response Posted - 04/06/2008 : 01:52:26

So after years of searching, ok, a few hours on the net, this is what I have come up with. Bare in mind I have never really seen a stove installation on a Catalina 25 in person soooo.
Seaward Princess model 2423 http://www.seawardproducts.com/gcooktop.htm
The measurements look good to me so the order button has been pushed. The down side is it will take about 6 weeks to get to me. As far as I can tell the only mod that has to be made is to make the stove compartment a tiny bit smaller. Now to figure out the propane line, hmmmm. I did try to find an alcohol stove to convert but that didn't work out. So it isn't cheap, but it will be something I hope my fiance will get a lot of use from. (she is going to smash me very hard if she reads that)

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 04/06/2008 : 08:42:55

Interesting thread. I have a boat that came without the stove (have no clue what the PO did with it) and as I focus more on day sailing it has not been a big deal. However I would like to put something in so I can boil water for coffee or do some basic cooking. so a couple of questions:

Have others just replaced the alcohol with better/newer technology or do most shift to propane?

Are there stoves to avoid or some that are far superior?

Should I be looking for one of the Cat-25 original issue stoves?

Not looking to be a master chef - just looking for basic creature comfort!

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Oksky
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Response Posted - 04/06/2008 : 18:14:08

Well all I can go on is my perception of things. There seems to be no majority of what people have used to replace an existing stove or fill the hole. I found quite a few useing the portable propane camp stoves. Others have updated with a newer style alcohol and some have done the propane conversion on an existing stove.As for the use of propane I gather the majority are using alcohol or electric shore power. For me, the type of sailing I'm planing on doing a gimbaled stove is best. It isn't cheap but I think it's worth it.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 04/06/2008 : 21:25:17

I use a single burner Kenyon - it was ok in P/S tests and uses drop in cartridges that are available from West Marine for $6.00 or $2.00 at the oriental grocery. The primary use is to boil water or warm soup. I plan to add a rail mount grill this year for whole meal prep.

Edited by - Dave5041 on 04/06/2008 21:26:08

quilombo
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Response Posted - 04/07/2008 : 17:45:41

does anybody have an original stove for my cat 25 its a 78, that works?? I would be interested in buying it,
drop me a line,
guglielmo6160@aol.com

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 10:47:26

I took a look at the Princess Model 2423 on the Seaward website, it looks just like the original alcohol model. The price is a bit steep, but you get what you pay for it quality. As I still have my old alcohol model, I'm wondering if you can buy only the stove and just drop it into the orginal carriage, the price would be lower and might temp me into doing it.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 11:40:00

Mike,

One option that some have done as an alternate to the alcohol stove is to replace it with a small microwave oven. I am considering this option. This obviously is not such a great option if you like to do overnighters in anchorages versus transient stays in marinas w/electric hookups.

The reason they utilize alcohol stoves in boats is primarily because the alcohol fumes do not settle in the boat. Fuels that are heavier than air will but it seems it is common to replace an alcohol stove with a propane stove vs the chance that during the priming of alcohol stoves the whole boat catches on fire.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 12:59:08

I have one in my basement. I always meant to convert it to propane but never got around to it... I have no use for it now. it didn't work well...

sten

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 13:00:38

The 2-burner Origo is a drop-in replacement for the original Princess, but is non-pressurized and therefore much safer and easier to use. Princess fans are proud that they've mastered the technique for not burning the curtains off the windows--you can have it.

If all you need is one burner, the Kenyon butane is stowable, simple, and cooks better than any alcohol stove while generating much less moisture and fumes--it's basically like cooking with propane. The cannisters look like spray paint cans and just drop in and pop out. If I'd known better back then, I'd never have paid the big price for an Origo to replace our Princess--the Kenyon is a fraction of that, and I like it better. (Get WM to match Defender.) I have one on Sarge. (If you think you might need two burners, get two--it's still cheaper.)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 07/02/2008 13:05:00

Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/02/2008 : 21:12:17

My understanding is that the Princess gas stove can use with propane or butane. Butane is supposed to be the better choice as it is lighter than air, it won't collect in the bilge in the event of a leak. I'm wondering if other gas stoves might also be able to use Butane? I also like the idea of a microwave, but I'm not willing to give up functionality when I'm out on the water.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 07/03/2008 : 06:20:57

I googled this,

Is Butane Lighter than Air?

Answer

No, air has a density of 1.225 g/l @ 15°C. and Standard Atmospheric Pressure while butane is 2.52 g/l. Butane is more than twice as heavy as air!

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eric.werkowitz
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Response Posted - 07/03/2008 : 07:35:02

I think this might fit into the space and provide two burners:

http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?M=BRUNTON&ID=1368575&ref=GB

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 07/03/2008 : 08:21:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stardog
 My understanding is that the Princess gas stove can use with propane or butane.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...if it's rebuilt to do so (one or the other). It's originally built for alcohol, which it pressurizes with its pump. Like propane, butane canisters should be stored in a vented external locker.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 07/05/2008 : 09:10:45

Mike, here is what I did on ours. First let me say that I plan on storing the bottles of propane in the fuel locker when not in use.

The only modification that was needed was the hole in the bulkhead for the fuel pipe to pass through. Otherwise, I fashioned the stove top out of 3/4 inch plywood that had one side finished. I am still considering other options, but I will try this for a while. Maybe the best idea would be to buy a new stove and put a bigger boat around it..

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