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skrenz
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Initially Posted - 05/15/2008 :  18:06:46  Show Profile
I was looking at the grime line on the hull of my 78 Cat yesterday and I noticed that it was above the white marked waterline. Is this normal? I'm concerned that she is not sitting on her lines. Now I don't know what the PO had on board when it sat at the dock last year and I haven't had it in the water yet. But I was wondering how other owner's Cat 25 of 78 vintage sit on their lines.

Steve Krenz
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1978 SR/SK #482
Santa Fe, New Mexico



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stampeder
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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 :  18:48:50  Show Profile




This is how my '81 sits. Slightly bow down with no-one in the cockpit.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 :  20:23:55  Show Profile
The consensus here seems to be that, with no crew in the cockpit, the SK sits bow-down with the keel down, and more on her lines with it up. Whether that's a good argument for leaving it up is debatable, especially in salt water. BIG debate!

Is your condition stem-to-stern, or just one end?

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 :  22:41:33  Show Profile
A bigger boat or just live with it. I have the 79 and with the galley, the battery, the table, outboard and the porta-potty all on one side we lean. I do store water, an extra battery and anything else with weight on the starboard side which does help. Have read threads about skippers adding weight of lead or punchings to help and we look at the later models and see how the design is changed to address the problem.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 :  23:14:00  Show Profile
Early swingers sit bow down with the keel in the down position and nobody in the cockpit.
They will sit on their lines with the keel up and nobody aboard.

The later hulls (engine starboard) balance differently either from different weight distribution, slight hull form changes or both.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 :  23:15:56  Show Profile
Passage has the battery (35 lbs), the outboard (95 lbs) and the watertank on the starboard side, so naturally it lists to starboard sitting in the slip.

Nevertheless, we keep the watertank pretty low (2-3 gallons or ~20 lbs) and stow the big anchor and all the beverages on the port side.

The rivergrass grows up the starboard side until I hit it with bleach and the big brush every other week.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 :  08:51:00  Show Profile
Bruce: You <i>wish</i> the Honda was only 95 lbs! I never saw a noticeable list, but I generally left the water tank empty.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 :  10:27:03  Show Profile
My Honda, on the Stbd side, weighs in at 102LBs.
I have not noticed a list. Just the bow down thing that corrects when I sit my ample butt in the cockpit.

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 :  11:17:36  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ClamBeach</i>
<br />Early swingers sit bow down with the keel in the down position and nobody in the cockpit.
They will sit on their lines with the keel up and nobody aboard.

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Thanks for the info on this question. I wasn't so much concerned about side to side position as I was about front to back. I realize that the side to side position is greatly influenced by the motor, tanks, batteries, etc. It seems to me that my 78 had been sitting a little low in the water. Just hoping it wasn't flooded at some point making her sit low in the water. I guess we'll just have to see what happens. Its a bit disturbing.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 05/17/2008 :  21:17:06  Show Profile
Dave -
You should have seen me a few weeks ago wrestling with the engine as I lifted it from the dock cart to mount it on the boat.

It is VERY heavy, but I had positioned the stern so that all I had to do was swing the engine ever so slightly over the end of the dock onto the bracket, and it slipped on directly.

I hate to think what would have happened if I had missed!

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 05/17/2008 :  23:02:07  Show Profile
Tie a long line on it next time so you could have a second chance. The bitter end tied short so it couldn't go far.

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