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Jefffriday
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Initially Posted - 06/14/2008 : 22:32:53

So I put my boat in yesterday, checked both trough hulls after launch, bone dry, sailed her yesterday, sailed today for several hours, about 4 hrs into our sail we noticed water on the floor of the cabin. we had been going in and out all day and it was fine. Lowered the sails and make a beeline for the club. I looked at the front through hull for the vanity sink, all bone dry, the galley through hull was wet due to the water that was sloshing around in the hull, but I could not see any any thing obviously leaking. I looked at the two old plugged holes for the old speed wheel and depth finder, they looked fine. within about 25 min of first noticing the water it was up to about 3 inches above the bilge cover. Back at the dock I decided not to screw around and got my trailer and pulled her out of the lake. That went surprisingly quick and easy. On the hard, no water was leaking out at all. I siphoned out the bilge and poked around a bit before dark. Nada, nothing obvious at all. I am going to go up in the AM and give it a thorough inspection, but I was wondering if anyone had any other ideas? She was bone dry all year last year. the bottom is nice and clean and shows no cracks or anything. I am at a loss as to where it came from. any ideas?

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 06/14/2008 : 23:19:08

How far over were you heeling during your sails? It's possible you were back siphoning through one of your sinks or a head through hull.

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 06:34:37

I too have that problem, but not to that degree, the floor of my 78 is always dry , with the exception of that small area at the base of the sink pedal for the water, It also seem to get a little water there ,
but while Im sailing for some reason I get some water on the floor, not bad, just some small puddles, Im assuming is because of the motion of the boat, etc,,
basically I really dont care ,,
so long as I can clean it up in about 5 min, Ill just leave it
I also have an electric bilge pump ready at all times

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 08:18:26

I suggest re-launching and see if water enters boat while at dock, no sailing. Make sure your seacocks are closed. If no water coming in, take someone sailing with you and one of you check all thru-hulls and accessable bilge areas while under sail. Also, check around the anchor locker drain for cracks, etc.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 09:42:38

Jeff, "3 inches above the bilge cover", that's a lot of water. Is this a new boat to you. How long have you owned it? You could ask PO if he had any leakage. I assume once on trailer you noticed nothing unusual underneath.
Sounds baffling either way. Good reason again to have electric bilge pump. Keep us posted.
Steve A

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Jefffriday
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 10:16:20

I have had her about 2 years. she had been in a slip for a few years when I bought her, I undrstand the previous owner was ill for some time and it was 6 months or so after his passing that the family got around to selling the boat. There was no water at all in the bilge when I picked it up and none last year at all (about 60 days of sailing last year) I went through everything the year I got her, removed barnicles, sanded and painted bottom, all new standing, running rigging, lifelines, rebedded a few stations, stripped and repainted the spars with Awlgrip, reinished all the teak, rebuilt the trailer (new 4 wheel disk brakes, lights, bunks, tires,etc.) I really know this boat. I am pretty sure it is the Bilge line but I should know in a few hours. I will post the answer when I find it. I also scrubbed and put a thin fresh coat of VC17 on this year and noticed no problems at all. I must say though, there was a moment of panic when I looked in the cabin and saw water sloshing around....

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 10:30:31

I can't see the bilge through hull being low enough to take in water. When I removed a through hull on my '82 I had it classed over, it worries me you have old instrument through hulls. What about your anchor locker through hull? It is low and mine is looking a little baked, except I would expect that water to fill the area under the v-berth first!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 12:05:06

One of the Fleet 7 guys had quite a lot of water in the boat. Turned out to be coming in through the bolts that hold the rudder gudgeons to the hull. They were quite loose.

Caulked, retightened, problem solved.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 12:16:41

I would buy that but I think Jeff has done maintenance on his rudder.

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Jefffriday
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Response Posted - 06/15/2008 : 12:31:05

new gudgeon's last year, I also doubted the bilge outlet, but I installed a swim platform, and when really heeled over, with 4 or more on board it is in the water a bit. I don't know if it redirects any water towards that out let but it's possible. I agree with you Frank, I don't like the old instrument through hulls either. I cam across a couple of threads last year basically saying if it has not leaked in 20 years, don't mess with it. next year I am going to completely strip, down to the gel coat, patch the old unused holes, apply new barrier coat and repaint the bottom again with the VC17 (I love that stuff). The old barrier coats are not smooth at all, but they were good enough for the time being. I got sidetracked this year with the topsides, I started with 220 wet sanded it all, then 400, then 600, then 1200, then 3M compound, then finesse it, the collinite 885 fleet wax, it looks like new. the bottom? that's next years project I hope....

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Jefffriday
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Response Posted - 06/16/2008 : 08:23:43

Got home from the lake last night. I opened the lazerette (SP?) and, sure enough the line from the transom trough hull to the bilge pump was hanging about 12 - 14 inches below where it would be attached to the pump. everything was wet and when I pushed the hose further down, more water ran out. The hardened rubber hose slid easily back on the pump. I also store my BBQ int there. We were heeling on each tack a fair amount. I am sure the swim platform had nothing to do with it, it is quite a bit above the bilge through hole, but when heeling... I also gave a close look both inside and outside of all the other through hulls, all good. She is ready to go back in the water, and before she does, the new pump goes in.. and so it goes.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/16/2008 : 08:50:13

I didn't read everything above so forgive me if I am repetitive. I have three possible Ideas.

If you took on water over during storage it is very possible that the way the boat was stored on the hard has a different lowpoint than when you launch it. Healing can allow the water to find its way to a new lowpoint.

Second - probably already mentioned - siphon through a thru hull

Third - came in through the rail while healed over - rub rail and jib tracks make for a lot of holes

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knightwind
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Response Posted - 06/16/2008 : 11:13:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jefffriday
 Got home from the lake last night. I opened the lazerette (SP?) and, sure enough the line from the transom trough hull to the bilge pump was hanging about 12 - 14 inches below where it would be attached to the pump. everything was wet and when I pushed the hose further down, more water ran out. The hardened rubber hose slid easily back on the pump. I also store my BBQ int there. We were heeling on each tack a fair amount. I am sure the swim platform had nothing to do with it, it is quite a bit above the bilge through hole, but when heeling... I also gave a close look both inside and outside of all the other through hulls, all good. She is ready to go back in the water, and before she does, the new pump goes in.. and so it goes.
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So...What was the problem?

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Jefffriday
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Response Posted - 06/17/2008 : 09:11:39

Sorry if I was not clear in the last post. the problem was the line from the through hull for the bilge pump to the pump coming off at the pump and hanging down low enough, that when we were heeled over, water was coming in, fast. I would say that line is another place to double check every spring.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/17/2008 : 09:34:20

Good catch! Glad you located the problem. Now we have something new to add to the checklist.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 06/17/2008 : 14:12:14

Glad to hear you solved that. Luckily minor repair.
Steve A

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/17/2008 : 22:35:42

Got a clamp on that?

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Jefffriday
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Response Posted - 06/18/2008 : 10:01:20

Yes I have one on there, but it was not tight (it is now) I really did not think water would come in even if the hose was off, I know better now. I will be using double clamps, like on my through hulls when I install the new line.

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