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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 08:55:09

>" I'd want something like this..." [Hans Christian]

Heh... remember we are talking about a race... not a cruisers rally.

Co-workers' brother did the singlehanded Pacific Cup in a Tayana 37.
He sadly reported that the parties were over and most everyone was gone by the time he finally arrived. :>(

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 09:03:20

I love reading about the great single-handed ocean crossings and circumnavigations.

On a long and dangerous passage during her [url="http://www.amazon.com/Grace-Sea-Womans-Odyssey-Around/dp/0071435425/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216821151&sr=1-1"]7-year single-handed circumnavigation[/url] the female sailor Pat Henry saw the ghost of a departed sailor take her helm, similar to the experience Joshua Slocum recorded upon complete exhaustion during a long passage.

Days of steering with a broken wind vane or autohelm is apparently a common problem when alone in a small boat out on the deep blue sea.

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 09:50:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 >" I'd want something like this..." [Hans Christian]
Heh... remember we are talking about a race... not a cruisers rally.
Co-workers' brother did the singlehanded Pacific Cup in a Tayana 37. He sadly reported that the parties were over and most everyone was gone by the time he finally arrived. :>(<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This might get you there (relatively safely) for the party...
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<center>Valiant 42</center>
(Should get there about 40 hours before the HC or Tayana.)

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 10:09:10

Don't the Hans Christian's have a chopper-glass hull? Not that I'm in th emarkett for a boat to cross oceans, but I think I would want something that was woven mat glass rather than chopper glass. Of Course the Christians have a long and illustrious history, and I may be thinking of something else with the chopper glass hull.

If I were in this I would consider something like an Oyster [url="http://www.oystermarine.com/#id=24&ref=fleet/24"]Oyster Homepage[/url]. Even the little guy at 46 feet is pretty big though. Of course I'll likely never be in something like this. Not even sure I'd want to be since my version of cruising involves as much sleep as possible.

On second thought, that big windscreen is just asking for trouble. maybe I won't make any suggestion. I'd still like an oyster though for my "When I win the lottery" boat.

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 10:28:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 ...my "When I win the lottery" boat.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's one of our annual winter threads.

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 10:35:51

OK, Chris, what would you do with a boat that had 8 heads and a what I can only assume to be a bidet? Six heads I can see but 8? -- that's just extravagance.

Better win a BIG lottery!

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 11:46:14

My personal submission! I wanna do that run someday! better yet - a milk run to the marquesas!

Bluewater boats are what they are regardless of how constructed. The Valiant is an excellent choice as are several of the others mentioned. BUT, I like lots of gear, heavy rigging, and a deep keel with a 50/50 displacement ratio. Oh and lots of air draft! The difference between a yacht with a 58 foot mast and one with a 40 foot mast can total more than a knot in light air.

sten

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 13:58:31

Sten...

"Now that's what I'm talking about". You've got the hot set up as far as I'm concerned. The question is can I outrun that depression on the weather fax, or do I have to slog along at 5 kts. while it overtakes me causing constant feeding of the seagulls as I lean over the lifelines. As Martha says, "speed is a good thing". BTW, is that a 40-2? Another good one is the old Cal 40, but guys have raced 'em up and it's too hard to find one that isn't max $$$$.

Jim...you should get up on the Sailing Anarchy website

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php

Pose the idea of sailing a C25 to Hawaii

on the cruisers forum and see what the response is. This is a great source of information for cruisers.

Edited by - andy on 07/23/2008 14:13:47

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 14:31:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by andy

Jim...you should get up on the Sailing Anarchy website

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php

Pose the idea of sailing a C25 to Hawaii

on the cruisers forum and see what the response is. This is a great source of information for cruisers.

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I'd give that one about 2 posts before he'd get a STFU Newbie comment

I'd love to see the windspeeds that guy is sailing in if he has his olsen planing. That isn't exactly a sport boat.

As for the HansChristian - don't know what the glass composition is - I was looking more at the Brick[-----]house look than I was really getting into all the other details. I don know a member of our club has one and he has taken it all over the world. His auxillary tiller/rudder setup makes a c -25's standard rudder look like it was built with popsicle sticks.

Here is a blog of a guy actually making a trip across to Hawaii right now...... it has some interesting info - it started with him outfitting the boat and passing the safety inspection back a number of months ago...

http://blog.sailingforsmiles.org/

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 16:03:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 OK, Chris, what would you do with a boat that had 8 heads and a what I can only assume to be a bidet? Six heads I can see but 8? -- that's just extravagance.

Better win a BIG lottery!
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We eat Chilli a lot. For dessert we have beans mixed with bran flakes.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of the 46, but I'd let you buy me the 125 if you wanted to.

Since the 46 costs $1.5M, how much do you think the 125 will go for?

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 16:14:21

Very interesting sight and blog. I am intrigued with the Cal 20 and Electra. I owned an Electra and have great respect and love for Alberg designs -- but -- the Electra was a "small" 22 footer whereas the Cal 20 is a "large" 20 footer, so, crusing comfort is non existant on the Electra while barely so on the Cal. At what point does fatigue settle in on such a "short handed" race? Regarding Catalina's, I could see a 27 making such a trip, but, I think the 25 has just enough design issues (as well outliend above) to keep her from being a reliable offshore vessel.

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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 16:27:50

I am a member of Sailing Anarchy, but I rarely post anything over there because the people are quite rude.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 20:56:42

"My personal submission! I wanna do that run someday! better yet - a milk run to the marquesas!"

C&C 38?

That would be a nice ride for the Pacific Cup.
Let me know when you're ready. I'll crew.

[edit] ... does it have a skeg-hung rudder?

Edited by - ClamBeach on 07/23/2008 21:35:25

Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 07:59:49

speaking of Sailing Anarchy and crossing the pacific --

There is a news story/in race report (second one on the front page) from a boat in the top 10.

www.sailinganarchy.com

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 08:31:58

Quote" Sten... "Now that's what I'm talking about". You've got the hot set up as far as I'm concerned. The question is can I outrun that depression on the weather fax, or do I have to slog along at 5 kts.

Agreed - when you can ghost at 6 in 9.5 knots of wind you are happy. When you can fly and outrun a storm even if motorsailing at 7-9 knots you are really happy. I thought I wanted a big heavy slow ketch until I realized that outrunning storms beat sitting in one! Lysistrata's previous owner circled twice and after graduating to a larger vessel for his retirement years lamented the fact that he will be lucky to do 7...

C&C 38? BTW, is that a 40-2?

C&C 39 - technically 39 and a half. Today they would call her a 396!

Sorry I did not post my sig... Cal 40's are not nearly as fast as the C&C but also a great boat. Designer Bob Perry on the C&C 39, "The C&C 39 was one of the first production boats designed to fit the IOR rule. For the same IOR rating as the Cal 40, the C&C carried a far larger rig and would demolish the Cal 40 in light to moderate winds." http://www.sailingmagazine.net/perry_cc39.html

But the boat you own should be the boat you love... Back to the TransPac... What happened to the Swan 47? I think Jim needs a Flicka!

Sten

DPO Zephyr - '82 C25, FK, SR
SV Lysistrata - C&C 39 - Swansea, MA

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 08:42:28

OH, and ya know - I will be looking for crew this coming year for further adventures. Our preliminary plan is to hang in FL for December to Feb? and then head south. Instead of returning to New England to avoid hurricane season, we plan on sailing to Honduras or Belize and stay there next summer. My wife has indicated that she would prefer a 4 hour on and 8 off schedule for some of those passages. SO, we will be picking up crew at some point... SO, maybe I'll start a list of somewhat footloose sailors who can go...

Negative on the skeg rudder... massive 4.5" rudder post though. Skeg rudders slow down a boat. We do have an Aries windvane that can be converted to a rudder in a pinch. Also, we are prepared to deploy warps if required to assist in steering Lysistrata. A vessel with properly set sails can be sailed on some points of sail by using the sails alone.

sten

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 08:54:01

"sailing to Honduras or Belize "

Let me know when... I've spent some time on Roatan Island (Honduras).

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 08:57:13

Clambeach - probably next spring FROM somewhere like St. Lucia, etc...

sten

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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 10:30:48

Sten,

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">But the boat you own should be the boat you love.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree... Except in my case it's should be "own the boat you can afford". For years I'd fantasized about living aboard, with hours looking at boats on Yacht World and trying to figure out how to make it work. Then after a divorce in '05, I had the opportunity to do it. I started looking at boats I could afford (my limit was $100K). After many trips to Seattle looking at boats, I realized that what I like most about sailing is the Wed night beer races, weekend club races and the social aspects of our sailing club. Turns out I already owned a perfect boat for that. I know the live aboard thing is not for me. Whew, that realization saved me a lot of money. I'm of the opinion that in many cases, the cruising reality doesn't necessarily fit the dream.

45 North... Wed night "duck dodge" racer.

Here's "Potato Caboose" my friend's Passport 37...also Perry designed. They've been aboard 4 years, have circumnavigated Vancouver Island twice (tall water going around north end)

and are currently in Friday Harbor in the San Juan islands.

They're a great couple (40ish) and it seems to be working for them. I know two other couples living aboard in Fla. They are all enjoying it...it's just not for me.

The Caboose is one beautiful yacht... PO had her in the Med.

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Response Posted - 08/13/2009 : 11:36:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 
I am leaving on a 3 week, single handed, ~1000 mile voyage in 4 days. I am going to include a non-stop run home of 150 to 200 miles just to see what it is like!
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Did you make this trip? Did you post anything? I'd LOVE to hear about it.

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