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piseas
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 14:55:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jonathan Cuff
 
I've thought about C30's but they're just a bit too big for me.
Cheers Jonathan
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Jonathan, I thought the same way but after sailing on some 30's, including a Catalina, they are not so hard after all. My concerns would be costs for upkeep, etc and maintenance.
I did see a new Catalina 320 at local boat show and wouldn't mind having one of those babies.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 15:31:30

What I would like to see Catalina make is a 28' trailerable with 6' minimum stand up room below. Sort of like my [url="http://www.seawardyachts.com/32rk.html"]dream boat.[/url]

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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 16:05:35

Randy, I can see why that's your dream boat. Beer cooler is nice touch. Cant believe its trailerable. Whats that baby cost? Bummer we arent closer. I would go in on it with you.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 16:11:25

30 is just a bit too big. We dock in a canal. Something around 27-28ft would be perfect and we'd really like it if it could still have an outboard.

Maybe Catalina could design something for us!

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 17:20:17

Steve, new one with a trailer is around $125k. I just think for my situation it would be an excellent lake boat and then tow it to the San Juans for cruising. All I need is another $100k or so!

Jonathan, a 27 or 28 trailerable from Catalina would be sweet.

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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 17:54:30

there are so many boats in the $40 to $50,000 range 35to 42`
I dream around there - rebuild and sail away

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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 20:04:45

Very cool boat. I wonder if they come with a tiller option

For $125K - I would be looking at used catamarans.

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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 21:30:22

Back when I was looking for a boat a mac 26 was listed in the local fishwrapper every day. (mental note - stop using that expression, the local fish deserve better than that local rag) Many times more than one mac was on the list.

I have rarely been past a club or marina bulletin board (with real thumbtacks, not online) where a mac has been listed.

They may have sold a lot of them, but they seem to have a glut of them on the used market too. Gotta be a reason somebody doesn't stay in a boat...

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Response Posted - 08/14/2008 : 12:32:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 What I would like to see Catalina make is a 28' trailerable with 6' minimum stand up room below. Sort of like my [url="http://www.seawardyachts.com/32rk.html"]dream boat.[/url]
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With a beam of 10'6", that boat is not exactly trailerable.

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Response Posted - 08/14/2008 : 14:27:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jonathan Cuff
 ...Something around 27-28ft would be perfect and we'd really like it if it could still have an outboard.

Maybe Catalina could design something for us!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">They did--the C-27, some of which have an outboard in a cutout in the middle of the transom. The one I've sailed on had ample headroom for my 5'9" frame. Otherwise, the interior doesn't feel much bigger--some say the v-berth is smaller--I think the quarterberth was bigger.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 08/14/2008 14:29:55

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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 13:42:30

I think that depends on your definition of trailerable. Mumm 36's are routinely trailered with a beam of almost 11 feet

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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 16:02:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jonathan Cuff The C28 looks really nice but is a lot more money than a C250 and<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Amen on that. Saint Louis Sailing has a "build you own boat" page that allows you to price out different boats. A 250 WK without trailer works out to around $40.5K, a 28 Mk II WK comes in about $110.5K, and a 309 WK comes in about $118.6K. At least around my house making that $70K jump from the 250 WK to the 28 Mk II would be a VERY VERY tough sell, though I suppose if I could get buy in for an additional $70K, another $8K probably would be a snap....

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 16:07:33

"definition of trailerable. Mumm 36's are routinely trailered with a beam of almost 11 feet"

Well, by that standard modular homes are 'trailerable' too.

How about 'trailerable without a wide load permit'? Commonly 8'-6" maximum width.

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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 19:25:02

Does anyone know the laws on this? I know that 8'6" is the standard max width in almost all states. But if a person had a boat that was 9'6" is all that is needed is a permit but not a flag vehicle, etc? Seems to me I once read that a simple permit would be sufficient - only driving during daylight and on certain highways. For me that would mean going up I-5 and then then over to Anacortes, WA. It's not going to happen anytime soon but I'm curious if its even allowed at all.

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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 21:28:51

The 32RK has TOO MUCH FREEBOARD, you try going to weather in low speeds (5 knts or less)

Because Catalina makes its smaller boats in largo, FL and its larger boats in Woodland Hills, Ca, A C42 is considerably cheaper on the west coast than the C400

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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 21:36:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kendall
 Because Catalina makes its smaller boats in largo, FL and its larger boats in Woodland Hills, Ca, A C42 is considerably cheaper on the west coast than the C400
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Kendall, I thought I read in the newest Mainsheet, that all Catalina's were being made or gonna be made in Fl. Now you give me hope, A C42? Hope you didn't get my hopes up!
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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 21:56:36

Got that off wikipeia, I havent flown to a California Catalina dealer and quoted both boats. I dont get the mainsheet.
Edit- According to their website they make up to a 47' the C470. It looks sweet.

Edited by - Kendall on 08/16/2008 03:01:14

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/16/2008 : 09:57:16

Steve, you are right. Mainsheet says that the California plant is closing and all Catalinas will be built in Florida. It also states that any model that was designed in the past ten years has also been built only in Florida. Just the older designs were still built in California and that remaining portion of manufacturing is now being moved to Florida as well. Apparently Florida is closer to the 70% of Catalina customers who live East of the Rockies and to Europe. They don't mention it but I suspect that California's very stringent environmental laws probably played a part as well. The article says the new plants in Florida are a sign of the commitment that Catalina has in building sailboats.

Plus this puts them closer to Hake Yachts (Seaward) and maybe they will collaborate on a 30' trailerable!

Edited by - Nautiduck on 08/16/2008 09:59:20

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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 07:38:14

Quote: "Edit- According to their website they make up to a 47' the C470. It looks sweet."

Someone please pass Kendall the kool-aid?

They do look sweet until their puny ground tackle fails at 06:00 and they drag into you!

Recently, Catalina began advertising the 375 as a blue water cruiser? As seen in an ad run in Blue water Sailing "Keels cast in lead with stainless steel bolts for greater stability and less maintenance. Oversized deck hardware and rigging for offshore reliability."

Personally, I hope Catalina goes back and builds more beefy boats and skip the floating condo business.

Sten

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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 09:43:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...As seen in an ad run in Blue water Sailing "Keels cast in lead with stainless steel bolts for greater stability...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">A breakthrough concept! (...compared to fiberglass keels cored with foam and attached with cad-plated wood screws, I guess.)

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 10:27:49

I've got a sneaking hunch that Frank Butler knows something about yacht building.

Catalina does what successful companies do - they design, build and sell boats that the buyers want. That is why they are successful. Ditto the dreaded Hunter and Beneteau. The people who are actually buying new boats want amenities and they want room.

For the most part these new buyers probably focus on coastal cruising and most - gasp - never intend to sail around the world. Catalina's advertisements are no different than the SUV ads showing off-road adventures. My friends with SUVs drive around town with their families and enjoy the heated leather seats, stereos and drink holders!

Could they go off-road in their SUV? Sure, but they probably wont.

As for the sailor who wants to take a substantial voyage in one of these new Catalina's - I bet they get to their destination just fine. Like I said, I suspect Frank Butler has learned a bit about building sailboats.

If anyone has some actual facts - like documented examples of Catalina's failing and endangering their crews - then I'd like to see the data.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 08/17/2008 11:32:48

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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 13:44:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
Someone please pass Kendall the kool-aid?

They do look sweet until their puny ground tackle fails at 06:00 and they drag into you!

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Who Drinks Kool-aid anymore, that giant talking pitcher gives me nightmares anyway.

If the owner is so inclined, than Ive never met a vessel, to which you couldnt upgrade the equipment, including bigger/better/heavier/stronger ground tackle.

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Response Posted - 08/17/2008 : 17:27:35

I read the article in Mainsheet with great interest. I wonder if there is a date when the California plant closes the doors for good. My biggest wonder is about the staff, especially the the people in Parts and the Technical advisors. I wonder if they will move to Florida and will still be available to help us out.

Mike

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Response Posted - 08/18/2008 : 07:02:39

Quote:"I've got a sneaking hunch that Frank Butler knows something about yacht building."

Exactly! That is why I am impressed that they are actually building and marketing a blue water boat. Cast Iron keels will always be cheaper. Standard rigging with stainless prices today will always be more pricey. The ad also went on to extoll the design virtues of the 375 for blue water cruising. NOTE: THEY AREN"T ADVERTISING THE 470 FOR THE SAME PURPOSE!

This is what I call targeted marketing. You build a boat that matches the buyers needs. Catalina really does not have a reputation for building high quality offshore boats, but a significant portion of the marketplace wants lead in their keel and beefy rigging above.

In the race against Hylas, Oyster, Valiant, and others, Catalina doesn't stand a chance to sell those folks boats. Until now - maybe!

sten

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Response Posted - 08/18/2008 : 19:35:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I wonder if they will move to Florida and will still be available to help us out.
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I'm in Canada and have recieved excellent help anytime I've called Catalina. Unless you can currently drive over there, I suspect the level of service would be the same when they move to Florida.

As far as the way Catalinas are built, I certainly would compare my boat to anything in a similar class.
I'm very impressed with the new 309

Looks very beefy. That mast is impressive and the deck hardware would not be out of place on a 45footer.

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