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*Update82 original outboard mount hold 9.9 Suzuki?

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Stellaluna
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Initially Posted - 08/11/2008 : 21:18:44

We are looking at an '82 C-25 and will go up to see it this weekend, but in the meantime after picking the owner's brain, he mentioned that it has the original outboard mount, which he said is completely solid and is not showing signs of aging, but it was originally meant to hold a much smaller outboard than is typically used today.

We plan to use our 9.9 Suzuki on it, and wonder if anyone is familiar with the original outboard mount who would know if it is sturdy enough to hold a 9.9 horse.

Liz
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Edited by - Stellaluna on 08/20/2008 11:27:06

ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/11/2008 : 21:42:08

Does the mount:

a) have a very narrow base... and is made from aluminum bar stock?
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b) is it made of stainless steel tubing.

If the answer is (a) no way. If (b) It's a Garhauer, probably fine in the sturdiness dept, but won't have as much 'lift assist' as the newer models.

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Response Posted - 08/11/2008 : 21:53:53

I have a '89 8-HP Suzuki 2 cycle and my '89 WK has the original Garhauer style mount. It works fine for me. It's slightly heavy but not really objectional.

You didn't mention what year model your motor is and if it's 2 or 4 cycle. If it's a 2 cycle it is probably basically the same motor as I have but with a different carb and/or maybe slightly higher compression.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/11/2008 : 22:53:18

I agree that if your motor mount is "a" above, it won't handle your motor. If it is "b" above and has only 1 or 2 springs, you will need a block and tackle to assist you with raising and lowering your motor. We had a 9.9 Suzuki that was set up that way. The first year we replaced the 2-spring mount, and last Christmas upgraded to a Nissan 9.8 and thankfully sold the Suzuki.

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Response Posted - 08/12/2008 : 18:53:54

I have a 102LB Honda 4 stroke on mine...which I believe is the original. It has two springs and although 3 or 4 springs would definitely be preferable, my two spring mount works just fine. I don't use a block and tackle - I stand on the aft-most part of the stern cockpit and lift using my legs (not my back). Works fine, not that big of a deal, I haven't been motivated by inconvenience or anything else to replace it.
If you do buy this boat, changing out the motor mount for a newer beefier one is an easy enough job and not prohibitively expensive.

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Response Posted - 08/12/2008 : 19:44:02

Stella, This thread: [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17088"]Thread[/url] has a couple of pics of the backs of different folks boats. you may be able to find your mount in one of the pics. I don't know if ours is original or aftermarket, but it is adequate. The motor is heavy to lift (for me anyway), and the metal sidebars have twisted somewhat. It isn't so bad that its on my to do list, but does cause some discomfort. This winter I will lok at straightening the side bars, and having stiffeners put on them.

Edited by - Prospector on 08/12/2008 19:45:26

Stellaluna
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Response Posted - 08/12/2008 : 20:03:34

Thanks for the info - I will check out the pics and see what we have this weekend. Ours is a 2-stroke and probably weighs about 80-some pounds. Hubby can lift it and carry it, and he is not worried in particular about that aspect, but the owner commented that it may or may not work with the original mount.

If we do buy this boat, we will be leaving it in dry storage where it is for about 10 days before we will be able to move it to our marina, so that will give us time to make minor repairs and get it outfitted properly (plus handle the registration, insurance, etc). If we need to do anything to the motor mount we can do it then.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 10:08:04

Stella,
If you have this Fulton model I would upgrade to one of the models Catalina Direct sells. The Fulton was designed for much lighter engines and though a new one might be rated for your engine, a 26 year old one would not.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 13:21:34

If your 2-stroke 9.9 Suzuki is like the 2 I had (with elec. start), it will weigh in at 88 lbs. Our new 4-stroke 9.8 Nissan weighs only 93 lbs., well worth the extra 5 lbs.

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Stellaluna
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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 10:29:19

Update-

Here is a pic of the motor mount. You can see where someone (likely) backed into a dock or something, creasing the lower parts of the bracket. DH is pretty worried about it handling our motor. We are not going to be able to replace the mount before we sail the boat to its new home, so he is either going to rig up some sort of block and tackle support or borrow a lighter motor:

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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 12:20:54

Looks pretty substantial. A 2 or 3 to one tackle to the stern rair is probably all you need.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 12:47:27

That is the same mount we have. I do not know how it happened, but th eupright flat metal bars with the slots cut in them have both bent on ours, which has made for some resistance when raising the OB. It isn't a big enough deal that I am replacing the mount, but I will be looking at ways to straighten and then re-inforce the sides this winter.

Edit for spelling and to add:
Our engine is 9.9 Johnson. I'm just about ready to trade it for a rubber band attached to a prop. I don't know if it is more powerful/heavy/challenging than what you have.

Edited by - Prospector on 08/20/2008 12:48:49

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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 14:15:58

I have this same mount on my '82 wing, minus the dented lower tubes. The P.O. put a 15 hp Merc ('84, 2-stroke) on the boat, and this mount handles it fine. I would guess that my 15 hp motor is as heavy as the one you want to use. I would go for it, but keep your eyes on those dented tubes.

Paul

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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 14:56:14

I have a related motor mount question. I am replacing the original motor mount with what I believe is a Garhaur mount. I'm trying to determine where, up and down, to place the mount. The question is, how deep below the waterline should the prop be when the mount is in the down position. Conversely, should the prop be out of the water when in the raised position?
I know that this is related to the length of the engine shaft and that raises a second question. When measuring the motor shaft length, do you measure from the transom mount to the first or second cavitation plate above the prop? Mine has two and is very similar to the picture in the tread that prospector listed.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/20/2008 : 19:47:07

skrenz,
Look inside your boat, at the positioning of the current mounting bolts and the shelf. You will likely want to keep at least one of the current lower bolt positions. Better yet, buy the replacement mount from CD and get one that will hit all 4 of the current holes. Don't buy one of the larger Fulton mounts with the straight arms, like I did. They don't work well on the C-25. The handle will catch on the rubrail unless you use a mounting board at least an inch thick.
Shaft length is measured from the transom to the cavitation plate directly above the prop. The shaft should be long enough for that cav. plate to be at least 1" under water, preferably 2-3".

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 08/21/2008 : 05:31:20

I believe the Catalina Direct online catalog has sizing guidance on the bracket page. It should indicate the recommended spring model - 2, 3 or 4 springs depending on the weight of the motor. So, rcmd check out the Catalina Direct website for the sizing info to determine if your motor is in range of the 2 spring model recommendations. Believe the original mount was sized to handle 8-9.9hp 2 stroke outboards around 60-80 lbs or so. Then as you get in the 80-90 lb range - 3 springs and 95 lbs and above, then the 4 spring. Some have used a simple block and tackle to get by with the original bracket with a heavy 4 stroke but ideally, the 4 spring bracket would be used for say a 9.9 4 stroke Honda. I changed the bracket but PO used the block and tackle. Anyway, rcmd check out CD's weight ranges for their models to get an idea as to what is recommended since I do not recall the exact weight ranges. Also, consider that an old bracket probably has some relaxation of the spring tension, so it may be a bit less capable than when it was new but probably not worth changing if your outboard is in weight range of what would have been recommended if bracket was new.

Edited by - OLarryR on 08/21/2008 05:34:19

Prospector
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Response Posted - 08/21/2008 : 07:00:31

Has anyone tried ordering th e2 spring model, and then adding additional springs until it "felt right" or vice-versa (ordered the 4-spring and removed springs. - EDIT: Never mind, you would have to break welds to make this happen.

Can this even be done?

Also noticed that the CD page has re-inforced side plates - I may not have to unbend mine after all.

Edited by - Prospector on 08/21/2008 07:50:08

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