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britinusa
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Initially Posted - 09/06/2008 : 08:53:44

All members of the Association are requested to participate in the current election of Association Officers.

[url="http://www.owsmgr.com/_catalinacapri25s.org/cgi/Catalina-Capri-25s.org.cgi"]Click here to proceed to the online Ballot System[/url]

You may access the ballot also by logging into the Assn Members Area (in the top right corner of this page)

If you have any issues with the system please do not hesitate to contact me. All of my contact details are on the ballot pages and you can always send me an email by clicking on the 'britinusa' link of this post.

Paul

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Moved up to C34 Eximius

Updated August 2015

Edited by - britinusa on 09/08/2008 20:55:15

delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/06/2008 : 13:32:58

I tried to vote, but I don't remember my logon credentials for access to the site. I remember going through this once before when Kevin was secretary, are the member credentials different from site credentials?

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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 : 08:09:52

The online Ballot System uses the email address that you most recently supplied when applying/renewing your membership to the Association.

I guessed that several folks would have changed their email address since then and included a method off voters sending me info that would allow me to find their member record based on other information.

If the old email address is still active but is forwarded to your new address, the system will work fine, just use the old email address in the Key Request process.

So far there has only been one case of a member voting that was not in the data that I have and I was able to confirm their membership by other means.

There have been several members that had obsolete emails, and they were easily corrected.

If you experience any issues in the voting, please contact myself or any of the current Officers of the association.

Paul

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Breezy Cat
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 : 14:17:38

When does the voting/election close?
TIA

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 : 18:05:00

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/telltale/telltale20080903.asp"]As per the minutes of the Officers Meeting[/url]

Paul

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 09/08/2008 : 21:54:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/telltale/telltale20080903.asp"]As per the minutes of the Officers Meeting[/url]

Paul

The following in Blue is from the Officers Meeting cited by Paul, ie Brit in usa, above.

Bill (Commodore Meinert) discussed the ballot timing and it was decided gthat Nominations will close 1800 5th. EST
Ballot will close Friday 9/26 1800 EST.
Proposed by Bill(Commodore Meinert), 2nd by Derek. All ayes.
Hmm.. Not 1600 Not 2400 I'm sure that the other posts were just "senior" moments.

Paul to put ballot closure info on the ballot process.
Bill(Commodore Meinert) mentioned that in the past there was an opportunity for candiates to post notes about themselves for promotion on the forum.
Bill (Commodore Meinert) will set that up as a sticky.
No such "stickey" was posted.
It took JimB to get a thread for the nominees to make statements.
Another "senior" moment by Bill(Commodore Meinert)?

Paul asked about mailout of ballot to members without email addresses.
Bill(Commodore Meinert) will arrange for LuAnne to meil out ballots with a return address for Paul.
Paul asked Bill(Commodore Meinert) to ask Luanne to deliver lastest member data file as close as possible to friday prior to opening the ballot.
Anyone get a ballot outside the forum? We'll see. 
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The quotes from the Officers Minutes are accurate any censorship represents bias on thier part.

Edited by - Peregrine on 09/08/2008 22:25:08

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Response Posted - 09/08/2008 : 22:01:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Breezy Cat
 When does the voting/election close?
TIA
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When the officers get the results they want.

C25-Observer
http://c25-250-observer.blogspot.com/

Edited by - C25-Observer on 09/08/2008 22:04:18

britinusa
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Response Posted - 09/08/2008 : 22:37:05

Thank you for pointing that out John. I appreciate your observation.

I have updated the ballot page to include the closing date.

I'm curious as to why you feel it necessary to post via two forum profiles Peregrine & C25-Observer, perhaps it is a frame of mind.

Maybe it's a brit thing, but I was always advised that it's not what you ask for but the manner in which you ask.

Paul

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Response Posted - 09/09/2008 : 12:33:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Peregrine
 The quotes from the Officers Minutes are accurate any censorship represents bias on thier part.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">When the officers get the results they want.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

...from John Gisondi--the guy Bill Meinert, Derek Crawford Steve Milby, and Duane Wolf were talking about.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/09/2008 12:49:39

Don B
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Response Posted - 09/09/2008 : 13:27:08

Amazing...

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C25-Observer
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Response Posted - 09/09/2008 : 16:44:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">When the officers get the results they want.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

...from John Gisondi--the guy Bill Meinert, Derek Crawford Steve Milby, and Duane Wolf were talking about.
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Yo Dave when was last time you owned a sailboat, let alone a Catalina?

Dave and our Commodore would love it if C25-Observer was just one person. The ID and blog is shared by a few contributors who weigh in when the mood strikes. They are a concerned and irreverent group of C25 owners (owners Dave).

As for the comment above, Bill Meinert allowed (urged?) Dave and the others he lists above to attack John Gisondi, who posts under “Peregrine” then he locked the thread before John could respond.

In anybody’s book that is working the forum to get the results he wants.

http://c25-250-observer.blogspot.com/
Visit the Blog read the truth. Careful we play rough there.

We will post any comments that are not out right lies or contain obscenities.
Fair Breezes
C25-Observer

Edited by - C25-Observer on 09/09/2008 17:42:39

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Response Posted - 09/09/2008 : 17:06:41

Bazaar... like DID.

The correct link to John's "Observer" blog is http://c25-250-observer.blogspot.com/ Read all of it.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/09/2008 17:21:48

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Response Posted - 09/09/2008 : 17:47:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Bazaar... like DID.

The correct link to John's "Observer" blog is http://c25-250-observer.blogspot.com/ Read all of it.
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Bazaar? Like the Grand Bazaar?

Thanks Dave.

http://c25-250-observer.blogspot.com/
Visit the Blog read the truth. Careful we play rough there.

We will post any comments that are not out right lies or contain obscenities.
Fair Breezes
C25-Observer

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 09/09/2008 : 18:18:12

Crikey, if all I wanted was this childish banter then I'd just hang out at SA.

Edit: At least SA's humorous!

Edited by - SailCO26 on 09/09/2008 18:20:21

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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 : 19:28:27

Edited by - mhartong on 09/10/2008 19:29:17

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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 : 20:51:03

"Bill Meinert allowed (urged?) Dave and the others he lists above to attack John Gisondi"
Unmitigated BS! The officers all have their OWN opinions and all agree that John G is a disrupting factor.

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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 : 22:20:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
[brUnmitigated BS!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Correct. I have only pointed people here to John's own words, on my own volition. Draw your own conclusions. Sorry if this is "childish", but members need to know about his person who seemed to drop in out of the blue, anonymously attacking everyone in sight and campaigning for himself in the third person.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 09/11/2008 : 08:26:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Correct. I have only pointed people here to John's own words, on my own volition. Draw your own conclusions. Sorry if this is "childish", but members need to know about his person who seemed to drop in out of the blue, anonymously attacking everyone in sight and campaigning for himself in the third person.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Apologies if you thought I was calling your actions childish, Dave. That was more directed at the "attacking everyone in sight" portion of the thread.
Jim

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Response Posted - 09/11/2008 : 21:46:16

Well, I just got an e-mail from John Gisondi... Apparently he doesn't like my revealing his identity, so he's gonna work me over a little more on his blog. Again, if you're interested in who this guy is and how he relates to people and organizations, take a look--I haven't. I already know.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/11/2008 22:06:00

stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/11/2008 : 23:35:49

Finally...a legitimate criticism of Dave Bristle: he misspelled a word.

Congratulations C25 observer, you have once again ruined a pleasurable foray onto my favorite web site.

You have your own website, and according to you, a following. It would benefit everyone if you would understand that your following is on your website, not here. Let us figure out our problems in our own way, and you can figure out your problems, over there, on your website, in your own special way.
Over here on this website, we have intelligent thoughtful people who communicate in a respectful, meaningful manner. This is the difference between anarchy and progress.

I will participate in the vote because this is the best sailing website on the internet and because of the quality of the people here and despite the fact that as such, we attract some undesirables.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 09/11/2008 : 23:59:30

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16664&whichpage=1

Posted by Arlyn Stewart;
"The association has some history of the issue you describe and the destructive nature of it when leaders activities are funded by the membership dime.
I give notice to leaders who may go that route that I'll personally be very vocal in opposing any dues increases for the purpose of funding racing or cruising interest of a few members.

I further oppose dropping the Mainsheet subscription so that funds might be diverted to special interest individuals.

I urge the remaining leadership team not to take the association this direction as it will be very destructive to the association.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224"

This is the central issue that I have consistently worked on.
Arlyn knows how the racers, including the current Commodore tried to use the Association to further their own interests.
They used their power to restrict voting to attendance to the so called "Nationals" and tried to raise dues to pay for trips to Nationals, it was fought and defeated.
Now by restricting the association governance to the forum they again try to keep the voices of the PAYING members to a minimum.
In this thread you can see how they tried again to use the association for their own purposes.
I continue to fight for the equal voice of every PAYING MEMBER, racer or cruiser and make this assoc. an asset to all.

From Jim Baumgart Former Commodore and Current Commodore Nominee;

"I don't favor a dues increase. When I was Commodore we had something like $14,000 in the bank. That is way too much. We spent some on the web redesign. Run the association as is, with dues as they are or even lower them until this huge excess of $$$ is run down to normal levels (something like $1000).

Face it, the Nationals will die out. No one is racing C25s. They are not race boats. They are not even good cruising boats. They are great day sailers that can be cruised if you don't mind being crowded and slow or raced if you don't mind being the last boat in."

Jim has been Commodore of the Association and understands that racing our boats is marginal at best.
I disagree with his opinion of the Mainsheet but he doing more with his boat than any other owner that posts on the forum and will bring a measured approach to the association.

John Gisondi
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Mainsheet Editor 2002 – 2006

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ilnadi
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 00:02:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SailCO26
 Crikey, if all I wanted was this childish banter then I'd just hang out at SA.

Edit: At least SA's humorous!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">well said, Jim.
When my kids fight and start blaming each other I punish both to make a point. Do the rest of us have to leave before the bickering few get the point?

Edit: I withdraw my analogy. As Brooke said elsewhere, I don't have a dog in this fight but I do have a threshold for what is acceptable. I visited the much-mentioned website and it certainly exceeded my afore mentioned threshold. This anonymous individual may have point somewhere but the style prevents due consideration. As my father always said: it is not enough to be right, you can easily make yourself wrong.

J.B.Manley: while I would second your message of "glad you are working in the system" as a general rule, the fact that three more posts were made "there" after your message makes one wonder if your message was understood. They will have to make up their own mind where they want to play. You cannot ask to be part of the system and have the right to lob stinkpots from the outside (no, not powerboats, look up the origin)

Edited by - ilnadi on 09/12/2008 09:08:28

stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 00:12:14

Is Peregrine and C25 Observer the same person?

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 08:09:57

Are you going to answer that, John?

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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 09:24:37

Seems we have lost the original intent of this thread.

I support the efforts of our officers and put my trust in them. Lets get this back on topic. Go out and Vote.

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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 10:26:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Seems we have lost the original intent of this thread<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You need to take a closer look at the what has been said and what the topic is. The topic is Officer Elections on an open Ballot. One of the candidates is posting under what I understand to be two different names. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

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