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leebitts
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Initially Posted - 01/04/2009 : 16:58:27

Just curious

I bought a Capri 25 for a bunch of reasons:
- Fast
- Large Cockpit (for racing or cruising)
- Accommodations below that would allow my handicapped (retarded) child to go sailing.
- One easy stop on the boat from a slip for handicapped.
- Adequate foredeck space for guests when cruising to lounge
- Adequate storage below for additional sails, cloths, food and beer and overnight stuff if really desired

I bought my Capri 25 for those reasons. There were other boats in the chase like J22, J24 etc. but they did not measure up to what I needed. I really love my Capri 25, I think a brand new one would be awesome, as as near as I can see there are no comparable boats on the market. I suspect there is a market being missed. I owned several Cape Dory's (different life), although Cape Dory is no longer in existence there are a lot of models of their boats being marketed now by other companies.

Any thoughts

Charlie

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joearcht
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Response Posted - 01/05/2009 : 07:14:14

Look at the Colgate 26. I considered this boat before buying my Capri 25. At the time it could be had used for 20k (about double of what I wanted to pay to get back into racing keelboats). Maybe a little shy on below deck space, but otherwise looks pretty comparable to me. You know that the Capri 25 is "too" wide to trailer legally in most states! I suspect that is one reason you don't see boats in this length range being modeled after the Capri.

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 21:00:32

Charlie:

I have had similar thoughts over the years about various "older" designed boats -- including the Alberg designs (I too had some in a previous life) as well as boats more akin to the Cat 25 and Capri 25. When I ask the comment is always that there are too many on the used market and, even if someone was so inclined to buy a used boat and have it professionally refurbished to Bristol condition, it would most likely be less expensive than a new boat. Not sure I agree, but I hear you that some of the Good Old Boats are sorely missed when looking at/for new production boats. Would be interesting to hear what a Butler or Douglas might say on the subject . . .

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 02/19/2009 : 20:04:41

I have recently been to the Tulsa Boat Show to look at the newer models, My personal thoughts are that the boats just are not made like they used to be made. There is a small amount of teak replaced by plastic, and it just doesn't seem to be like the ones I remember. My father had built his own race boat back in the 70's, it was a cold molded wooden structure with fiberglass over the wood, stiff, light, fast and it looked like a boat down below.

Back to the show, I got on several larger boats made by Hunter, the largest a 44ft sloop. I think the price tag on the boat was in the 225,000.00 range, it had some nice features but I think for that sized boat I just didn't feel it would be a open sea kind of sailboat.

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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 10:04:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 Back to the show, I got on several larger boats made by Hunter, the largest a 44ft sloop. I think the price tag on the boat was in the 225,000.00 range, it had some nice features but I think for that sized boat I just didn't feel it would be a open sea kind of sailboat.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Chris: For a $225k blue water boat, gimmie a used Island Packet any day. Ain't gonna break any speed records, but sure a niiiiice ride.

Jim

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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 13:03:07

The Merit 25 was another factor in that class, with an 8'0" beam--same as the C-25, and therefore more easily trailerable. (The CP-25 is a wide load in most states.) The PHRF is generally equal to the J-24 and below the CP-25, so the reduced beam (less than either) isn't hurting it much. If I were really into one-design racing, I'd want to be able to trailer my boat to regional and national events.

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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 13:34:10

Olson 25

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 15:36:00

Used to be a pretty good Merit 25 fleet racing PHRF-A around here, but it's dead now (I had considered a M25 when I got the CP25). Most of the Merit guys that are still around here went to the CP22.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 02/21/2009 : 15:05:22

If you are going to do any one design racing there is no better class than the J22 or the J24. Hundreds of boats and a long list of events around the globe. The boats can be bought up quite cheap, you have to strip them, move the keel, set all new gear, new sails, fair the hull, sand sand sand...and you are off into a good class of boats with great racing.

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 02/27/2009 : 20:25:28

Look at the Colgate 26 too

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/28/2009 : 11:41:19

Charlie: I love those Cape Dorys... all but the CD-25, which is about the only one not designed by Carl Alberg. The CD-36 and CD-40 are now made by [url="http://robinhoodmarinecenter.com/aaa/robinhood36.html"]Robinhood[/url] up in Maine--they're drop-dead gorgeous. I almost bought a used CD-26, a slightly stretched 25D with a lazarette for an outboard--for almost double what I paid for our C-25. Beautiful teak interior, standing headroom, and those Alberg lines... But it wouldn't have worked very well in the strange slip we had--long story...

I'm sure those smaller CDs would be way too expensive to build now. The 25D and 26 would probably have to get $75,000+. The closest thing in production up to a few years ago was the Com-Pac 25 (previously Watkins), it was going over $50K and is gone now, too. Oh well...

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 03/05/2009 : 18:01:42

A couple of years ago I was offered the molds to the CD Typhoon -- long story, but I looked into what it would take to enter the boat building business and that led me to talking with a guy who wanted to build molds to re-create the 23' SeaSprite. That guy was in the business and he concluded that the selling price would have to be @$60k stripped and that there would be no market because you can buy an old hull and completely refurbish it for far less money. So, you can either pay @$20k for a new Bullseye or @$3k for an old Typhoon and another @$10k to completely replace and refurbish EVERYTHING -- have an equivalent to new boat and save $7k. That's just one of the reasons why I'm not in the boat business!

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Response Posted - 03/05/2009 : 18:31:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Charlie: I love those Cape Dorys... all but the CD-25, which is about the only one not designed by Carl Alberg. The CD-36 and CD-40 are now made by [url="http://robinhoodmarinecenter.com/aaa/robinhood36.html"]Robinhood[/url] up in Maine--they're drop-dead gorgeous. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Damn You Bristle, not I have ANOTHER next boat to buy, and there is NO WAY I can afford this one. [url="http://robinhoodyachts.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=1965061&ybw=&hosturl=robinhoodyachts&&ywo=robinhoodyachts&&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=1644&url=&hosturl=robinhoodyachts&&ywo=robinhoodyachts&"]Next Boat #47[/url]

I had missed your post until now, and I wish I had gone on blissfully ignorant. Now I have to find $140K USD. Do you know how long I'll have to go without coffee to save that up!

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joearcht
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Response Posted - 03/11/2009 : 18:58:13

Has anyone ever come across any additional dimensional information on the Capri 25?. I've reviewed the sea trials documents and the selected architectural drawings on this site. I want to develop a model of the Capri and need more hull profile information to do a decent job. I can always try to measure my boat, but right now searching for information seems the easier route.
Thanks

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/15/2009 : 13:07:42

There is a company that has created a half model already, you will have to google and then search in around seven to 15 pages, its burried deep.

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leebitts
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Response Posted - 03/16/2009 : 18:09:25

Very cool. I digged down, here is the link showing the half hull of the capri 25 http://www.nauticart.com/capri25.htm

I'm going to contact them and get a price. I want one!

Regards Cape Dory's, yeah the cd 25 is kind of a not real cape dory. I owned a CD 28 and after a factory tour to see hull #1 of the CD 32 being built bought the last CD 31. I really loved that boat. We kept her up at Robin hood Marina and cruised the coast with her every weekend. A very sexy boat. We had her during a different period in our life. I then had a Vindo 45 (34 feet), then after a bunch of years of lapse a Catalina 22, and now the Capri 25. The Cape Dory was the equivalent of a Mercedes, the Capri 25 is a Lombourghini! I have never enjoyed sailing as much as I have since I bought this hot rod. That being said, I now sail on a lake (I'm not trying to start a discussion about seaworthiness, but I'm not interested in being on my Capri 25 when the seas are running 10 - 15 feet).

But for where I sail, I love my Capri 25. All on, it is the best boat I have ever had!

Charlie

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joemireur
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Response Posted - 03/17/2009 : 00:08:57

"But for where I sail, I love my Capri 25. All on, it is the best boat I have ever had!"

Ditto, amen, dang right! I haven't owned nearly as many boats, but I really agree wholeheartedly. The Capri 25 ain't perfect all the time, but that's okay, when it's good, it can't be beat. I sail in the bay and the chop doesn't ever get to 10 feet, but sometimes a steep chop makes driving the Capri like taking a cat on a leash out for a walk - not really sure which way we're going to go at any given moment. But to be out on a day when you want to be out there, when the breeze starts the day at 5 to 10 and builds to 10 to 15 knots during the afternoon, why, that's as good as it gets folks!

Joe

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Response Posted - 03/17/2009 : 07:50:58

Leebitt

I sent an email to Nauticart to see what data he might have had to develop the hull shape for the half model. He may just have a keen eye for sculpting and did not have any data at all, but if he does have any I'd like to get my hands on it. See what you can find out during your purchase discussion.

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Response Posted - 03/17/2009 : 08:01:20

Update on Nauticart.
I received a response to my email from Tom Thomas, artist at Nauticart.
He very graciously provided me with the data that he used to develop his half model.
Some of it I was aware of and some of it was new information.
I'll send the new information to the webmaster to post on the association site.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/17/2009 : 18:35:08

Joe, email it to me so i can update my ongoing archive of the Capri 25. mckillip at cox.net I would love to have one of his full models, they are too cool. Maybee I will make a glass plug and make my own.

Thanks in advance.

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 03/20/2009 : 21:00:43

I have never sailed a Capri 25 but after reading this thread I would love to -- everyone seems to enjoy their boat ALMOST as much as we C-25 and C-250 sailors enjoy ours! Obviously our love for our boats shows that Catalina knows something about boats and sailors!

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 03/22/2009 : 17:04:33

Peter, the Capri 25 sails just like a small dingy, its a very fun boat to sail in the lower wind ranges, and when the wind pipes up the boat is a blast to sail, water in your face, rail burried in the water, and will get up and plane downwind. The boat is constructed with coremat, so there is no worries of rot.

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