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pegasus
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Initially Posted - 02/23/2009 : 11:17:53

Hi Folks;

I installed a set of Jib/Genoa tracks inside the lifelines, against the cabin, on my Catalina-22 to improve pointing. I guess that moved the tracks about 12" closer to the centerline of the boat. The sheets and sail were completely inside the lifelines.

Does this work, and will it improve performance on the -25?

p.s. Loved my Catalina-22, but REALLY love the Catalina-25!

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Response Posted - 02/23/2009 : 13:27:57

The hull shape of a 25 is different than the hull shape of a 22. The hull of a 25 narrows more quickly than the 22. In my experience the effect of the beam narrowing is that for a genoa you can trim to the spreaders with the tracks on the toe rail. On my 89 we had the track a few inches inset from the rail and it may have helped a bit with a 110 but did not help with a genny. Considering the likelihood of leaks caused by that many new through-hull bolts I would not bother. The 22 is a One Design, the 25 is a cruiser that sails surprisingly well; enjoy it as it is.

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/23/2009 : 16:17:06

Like this?

That's inside, but not that much closer to the cabin than on mine, where the track was outside of the stanchions. If the tracks were in much further, I suspect you couldn't flatten a genoa much without putting it against the spreader.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/23/2009 16:23:53

sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 02/23/2009 : 21:26:26

Is a go fast class legal? Experiment with an extra line to check for improvement and go race.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/24/2009 : 13:16:37

Define "go fast", please.

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Response Posted - 02/24/2009 : 14:26:01

Building on Frank's point about the hulls, the C-22 is 3'6" shorter, but only 4" narrower than the C-25. So in terms of overall rig geometry, the standard C-25 sheeting is probably closer to what you achieved by moving the tracks inboard.

Regarding Jim's question, I don't have the class rules in front of me, but I suspect this would fall into the same category as modifying the traveler to get better sail shape... class-illegal, and potentially earning you a "custom" PHRF rating.

Keep in mind that the C-25 hull and keel do not have the efficiency of, say, a J-24... At some point, trimming the sails closer to parallel to the keel probably has diminishing returns--adding more to leeway than to headway.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/25/2009 : 12:12:50

Sec. H in the class rules, See # 1 & 3:

H. RUNNING RIGGING
1. Unless otherwise specified or limited, running rigging will remain open to modification.
2. Travelers must remain on the transom and will be limited so that the mainsheet attachment point may not travel past the point at which the factory installed traveler bar intersected the transom. No rope or wire travelers will be permitted.
3. Deck gear, unless otherwise specified or limited, will remain open to modification.
4. Instruments, unless otherwise specified or limited, will remain open to modification.
5. Internal halyards allowed (1985).

I read this as allowing inboard genoa tracks if someone wanted to add them.

Edited by - dmpilc on 02/25/2009 12:18:02

sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 02/25/2009 : 21:38:56

A go fast I believe is a line that is attached to the jib sheet between the sail and the block on the track that can pull the sail in closer. I use my jib winch which is at idle for the power to pull and adjust the "Go Fast". Preparing to tack with this line in use does get interesting but you can sure fine tune the sail.

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Response Posted - 02/26/2009 : 09:27:25

Barber Hauler

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/26/2009 : 17:58:46

Like Frank, we call that a barber hauler. We use one on my friend's Capri 26 when we race it. He has cabin top winches for his halyards, etc. led aft to the cockpit, so we use them.
David

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