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Champipple
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Initially Posted - 10/03/2002 : 09:18:53

Well, we have our haul-out date assigned and will be officially on the hard on October 26th. Hopefully I will be able to fit in Key West Race week for a winter fix, but with the economy running the way it is, I will most likely have to wait until next April.

In the interim, during a rainy night, I put together a list of things to do next year. This isn't the official list mind you, that is formulated in late November on a few bar napkins at the Richland Tavern. However, most items below will wind up on that list too. If anyone has any experience, ideas or input on these projects please feel free to let me know. I especially like the input where you guys (and gals) tell me where you screwed up so I can avoid the same ….Anyway here’s the list:

One Item of note, being frugal (read Cheaper bastard than normal) is definitely in the mix this year as we begin our repairs. The list is broken down into 2 segments. The have to do, the want to do,

Have to do:<ul>
1. be certain that we keep the commodore and admiral as far from the boat as possibly during all repairs.
2. Be certain there is enough beer this year for the repairs.
3. Paint bottom. (this is the last coat we can go without pulling out the orbital sanders)
4. Install a marine grade circuit breaker (A/C). (suggested by our surveyor) opposed to the fuse style nonsense that is in there now.
</ul>

Want to do:<ul>
1. Install a topping lift.
2. Back each of the stanchions and cleats using backing plates from Catalina direct.
3. Fix the G.D. windows. I am contemplating going with an entire new window design. 6 pieces of plexi on the outside, teak trim on the inside and a lot of caulk…I’ve seen it done on other boats, just not sure how it would work on the 25.
4. Install a tiller extender.
5. Install a track for the pole car (it’s a fixed SS ring right now)
6. Install new twing lines for the spinnaker.
</ul>

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 11:50:14

Duane,

What's a twing line?

Jim Williams
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 14:07:01

Duane, That list ought to keep you busy for the winter. I am not a fan of topping lifts. On both my Cat22 and my C250 I have always installed Garhauer's solid boom vang. No ropes to rot in the sun, no adjustments to make, it looks extra cool, and darn-it it works great. It also has a pin release on either end, so if you have a pop top like my 22 it will release, or like I did, just change the angle a little to clear the pop top. they're under $300. On th C250 it clears the pop perfectly because of the way the pop lifts at an angle.
consider the possibilities !

GClarke C250 WB Left coast

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jm
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 14:07:52

What kind of bottom paint do you use that will last all winter ?
I thought bottom paint had to be applied just a week or so prior to launch ? I'd much rather do it during the Indian summer days of October than the wet & cold of April.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 17:11:04

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Duane, That list ought to keep you busy for the winter. I am not a fan of topping lifts. On both my Cat22 and my C250 I have always installed Garhauer's solid boom vang. No ropes to rot in the sun, no adjustments to make, it looks extra cool, and darn-it it works great. It also has a pin release on either end, so if you have a pop top like my 22 it will release, or like I did, just change the angle a little to clear the pop top. they're under $300. On th C250 it clears the pop perfectly because of the way the pop lifts at an angle.
consider the possibilities !

GClarke C250 WB Left coast
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Gary,

I'd love to have a rigid vang...however my sister-in-law is getting married in Hawaii and the Admiral said We are going....Even with my sister working for continental that is going to be an expensive venture...So for now, its a line vang with a topping lift.

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 17:13:30

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
What kind of bottom paint do you use that will last all winter ?
I thought bottom paint had to be applied just a week or so prior to launch ? I'd much rather do it during the Indian summer days of October than the wet & cold of April.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

JM -

I never said the list was for the fall...However, I wouldn't see a problem with putting on a coat of VC-17 in the fall and letting it sit outside all winter. Heck, we didn't even need to put a new coat on this year (except for touch up in one area) so what we have on now went all year last year, outside for winter and all season this year.

dw

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 20:29:35

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
What kind of bottom paint do you use that will last all winter ?
I thought bottom paint had to be applied just a week or so prior to launch ? I'd much rather do it during the Indian summer days of October than the wet & cold of April.
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JM: That's true for the hard, traditional paints. The most of the newer ablative paints aren't affected by exposure to air because of the way they encapsulate the biocide. Furthermore, they prevent the problem Duane alludes to--build-up. If you put a first coat of one color on, and then overcoat it with a contrasting color, when the first color starts to show, it's time to put a new coat on.

Now, I've gotta start stripping the old, dead, hard paint my DPO left for me...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 22:32:40

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>What's a twing line?

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A twing line, sometimes called a tweaker line, is a line with a lightweight block on it attached to the guy (windward sheet on a spinaker). When the spin sheet is on the pole side (windward) on a down wind leg, this line is brought in to provide more downforce to the end of the pole. When the guy becomes a sheet (after a gybe) the tweaker is released, sometimes even un-attached, so that the force of the spinaker sheet pulls from the back of the boat.

Kind of tough to visualize, but it may help if you check out this site......http://www.harken.com/blocks/twing.php

harken describes them as:
Tweakers are barberhaulers used on the windward spinnaker sheet to bring it down to the rail near the point of maximum beam. They help control the spinnaker pole by giving better leverage for pulling the pole aft when it is near the headstay.

Duane Wolff
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Response Posted - 10/19/2002 : 03:43:11

I added a topping lift last haul-out. It was a very simple and inexpensive job.
I drilled a hole in one side of the mast head and put a small shackle through it with a wire line that hung just above the aft end of the boom. Attach a small block to this, then run a line from the end cap of the boom through the block on the wire back down to a cheek block on the boom and to a cleat on the boom. I like the topping lift, but I still tie my boom to the back stay to keep the side to side swinging to a minimum. I get the swing even with the main sheet and the topping lift tight.
Good luck with your list. It seems much shorter than mine ever has.
Shawn
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Response Posted - 10/21/2002 : 02:00:55

Duane,
I thought a "twing line" was that damn set of ropes that get you across the face when you do an accidental gib<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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FK/SR _/)

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LOREN SOUERS
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Response Posted - 10/21/2002 : 12:04:02

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
[/quote]

Duane,
I just want to see you commanding your vessel in your outfit some day. I love it! Can we see some action photos? Or do you fear the men in the little white suites?

Loren Souers, skipper
Nimue, The Lady of the Lake
(P.S. I don't know how to add fancy photos, etc.)

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/24/2002 : 17:03:01

SAIL has an article Turning off for Winter which appears to identify things that should be done to turn the boat off for the winter. I haven't read it yet, but it certainly looked interesting, in a black kind of way.

Don Peet
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bren737
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Response Posted - 10/24/2002 : 20:11:32

Duane,

1) Buy the rigid vang, trailer to the coast, sail to Hawaii!<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

2) While your photo and outfit are to be admired, I personally, I like Steve Steakley's photo from the "How Accidents Happen" thread better!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Just some thoughts to consider. . .

Bren Peterson
C250WB, #642, "Ruah"
San Antonio, TX

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Response Posted - 10/25/2002 : 02:07:34

Bren, Just so long as we don't see Duane modeling the outfit in Steves accident thread. We just might see more accidents then.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/25/2002 : 13:49:03

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Duane,
I thought a "twing line" was that damn set of ropes that get you across the face when you do an accidental gib<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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FK/SR _/)
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Matt, don't get me started...I can think of a few definitions of Twing and Tweaker line that wouldn't be suitable for this G rated forum.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I just want to see you commanding your vessel in your outfit some day. I love it! Can we see some action photos? Or do you fear the men in the little white suites?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Loren - I just try to find something funny for a picture...sometimes people take my comments the wrong way, and I piss them off...so I figure anything that is hilarious has to at least elude to the fact that I am a jokester.....same reason I am listed as being from Vatican City.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
1) Buy the rigid vang, trailer to the coast, sail to Hawaii!

2) While your photo and outfit are to be admired, I personally, I like Steve Steakley's photo from the "How Accidents Happen" thread better!
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Bren --
1...What Trailer
2 - Please see my response to G-Rated material listed above in this post...I think I could come up with a few for how accidents happen too...

If anyone has a better, funnier picture, let me know I will consider it....

DW

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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