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Tom Potter
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Initially Posted - 06/26/2009 : 18:50:47

Nothing I look at is in good of shape as my 250. Unless of course it's new and that's out of the question right now.

When we moved from a inland lake to the coast I was a little worried that the Tall Rig might not be able to handle the coastal winds and it seems I was right. So the hunt is on.

I looked at a C27 fin today with a universal diesel its a mid 80's model and needs lots of cleaning. It has a nice sail inventory including a new Kevlar main and matching 135 Genoa, plus a 110, 155 and 2 spinnakers. I don't know much about Kevlar sails, can anyone with experience with Kevlar sails give me some insight about them?

I'm looking for a heaver boat with a higher Ballast Displacement ratio. The C27 has a pretty nice ratio of "41%" compared to the 250 wing with "25%".

or maybe there is a 250 standard rig guy out there that wants go fast on those light air days and will trade sails and rigs

1997 250 TR WK (sold)
1984 O'Day 28 (sold)
1979 SISU 22
Bath, NC.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 06/26/2009 : 20:31:43

Hi Tom, what's your budget like? Maybe one of us may stumble on something you would like?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 03:06:44

Kevlar sails are mostly purchased for racing, often darker in color than Mylar and supposedly stronger. One of the main things about them is to avoid creases. That means rolling them, not folding. On the S2-7.9's I've seen with Kevlar sails, the main is usually flaked by removing it from the mast completely and laying it back and forth over the boom and securing it with straps, avoiding the large bunching of sail fabric at the front of the boom.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 06:07:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 Kevlar sails are mostly purchased for racing, often darker in color than Mylar and supposedly stronger. One of the main things about them is to avoid creases. That means rolling them, not folding. On the S2-7.9's I've seen with Kevlar sails, the main is usually flaked by removing it from the mast completely and laying it back and forth over the boom and securing it with straps, avoiding the large bunching of sail fabric at the front of the boom.
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That sounds about right, they were a brown color with some type of a clear film. rolled up in long bags stowed below.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 09:36:29

look for signs of : broken threads, seperation of layers (delamination) or cracks along creases in those sails.

If in good condition they are worth thousands of $

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 09:45:51

Tom, take your time and get a boat that is right for you and the conditions you are in. Personally, I would avoid high-maintenance racing sails if you are not into racing. In today's economy there are many good deals to be had in the used boat market. Also, consider how much maintenance you want to do on items such as teak and issues that arise with older boats.

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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 10:28:39

Assuming (which might make an Ass out of Me) you have a roller furler on your 250 and like it, and if you don't plan to race, that sail inventory will be a PITA, IMHO. You can't (or shouldn't) just bundle up the main and put a cover on it, or as noted, fold and stuff the genny into a bag. And wear gloves--the ones I've handled were tough on my hands. For cruisers & day-sailors, dacron is best, and a roller is hard to wean yourself from.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 11:04:26

I am a little biased, well maybe a lot biased towards Ericson sailboats now that I own one. Of course I still really like my C25 1989 tall rig wing keel, but if I ever finish refurbishing it I'm sure it will sell fast.
But I really love my 1985 Ericson 32-3. The interior is real teak, not the teak veneer you will find in Catalinas, and the cockpit layout is a lot better than a Catalina. They place the winches closer to the wheel so you can trim your headsail from the wheel without going around it.
Just for fun, look at Ericson sailboats on yachtworld or Boats.com.
the quality is definitely a step above Catalina. Of course they are no longer in business so they sell cheaper than a comparable size Catalina. but most all parts are generic anyways.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 18:06:58

Those sails have caused me to rethink the C27. Frank whats the draft on your Ericson? I'd like to keep it 4.5 or less, so that limits my searching.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 06/27/2009 : 19:05:37

Tom, I've seen your boat, it's SWEET!

But I know what you mean..[url="http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatFullDetails.jsp?boat_id=1534809&checked_boats=1534809&ybw=&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=75356&url="]ericson[/url]

Paul

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 06/30/2009 : 11:37:20

Tom,

You have 2 very different sailing venues outside your front door - the shallow and friendly Pamlico Sound, and past the Ocracoke Inlet there is a place called the graveyard of the Atlantic. Are you planning longer trips up and down the coast? The boats for those 2 kinds of sailing would need to have different characteristics, for sure.

So what are you planning to do with a boat these days?

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 06/30/2009 : 21:06:41

Try this and still be mobile.......

http://www.marina42.net/cgi-bin/p/m42p-listing.cgi?d=the-anchorage&id=2860

paulj

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