Association Forum - Berth question

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

Catalina 25 Specific Forum

Berth question

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

ronrryan
Admiral

Member Avatar

USA
561 Posts

Initially Posted - 10/16/2002 : 21:54:07

Orion is an 81 standard interior. The mate (admiral) has claimed the v-berth and it is way too small for two old fat people, so the captain has to find quarters in the salon (saloon?). The port settee is too short and too narrow. The starboard settee is too narrow, but seems to have promise. My battery compartment is at the aft end of the stbd settee, and I am considering some sort of folding extension, using piano hinge, that would give room at the upper ("tubby") end of the body. I don't care to sleep athwartships, and want to try to leave room for mate to get out of v-berth area and pass next to settee going aft, past the cover for the keel trunk. Anybody invented this wheel? Have other advice/suggestions? Thanks for the help, ron c25 sr sk Orion #2343 SW FL

Edited by - on

nate
Navigator

Members Avatar

240 Posts

Response Posted - 10/16/2002 : 22:20:03

Why not use your quarterberth? I don't like sleeping in my V-berth because I feel like I'm heading downhill, so I sleep in the Qberth most nights.
Nate Adams

Edited by - on

Buzz Maring
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1774 Posts

Response Posted - 10/16/2002 : 23:37:01

Hi Ron,

I don't know if this would give you enough room to be comfortable, but it would at least keep you from rolling off the settee. I thought this was a great idea for a kiddo.

I'm sorry, I can't remember who posted this idea on the Forum ... I looked in the archives 'til I almost went blind, and I couldn't find the thread where I copied this photo from:

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2ce37b3127cce91652da6cf5f0000001410" border=0>

I seem to recall that this hammock-like gizmo is available at West Marine, but I don't remember what it is called.

Who did I steal this from??????

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

Edited by - on

osmepneo
Past Commodore

Members Avatar

USA
1420 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 08:05:50

Ron

I'd also vote for the q'berth.

We bought osmepneo with the idea of spending nights on board. Did it once befoe moving to a large lake, and then bought our retirement home 1 mile from the club. So now don't have reason to over night, except for guest overflow <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

When we did spend a night aboard the V-berth was fine for us, and we are both large people. I wouldn't say fat, altho' my Doctor probably would <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Regardless, the q-berth would be the best solution for us if we ever decide to go up the lake for a w/e.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
Wish the decision was one for tonight!
On the hard

Edited by - on

tinob
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1883 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 08:18:22

Good morning folks,

Buzz,

Last time I looked that gizmo was referred to as a lee board. I suppose I should have checked a reference book or glossary, but I'm positive on this one<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> How's that for nerve...da noive?

Val on "CALISTA" # 3936

Val Bisagni

Edited by - on

Doug
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
457 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 09:55:28

We do the Admiral and and one child in the V. Another kid in the salon, and I'm in the quarter berth. Keep meening to do the super bed project so we can put both kids in the V berth.

Doug - #1913 Noeta

Edited by - on

jellyfish
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
171 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 12:14:22

Ron, two old fat people huh? I resemble that remark! here is my solution, I took a 1/2'thick piece of plywood and measured the compartments in the cockpit and cut each one (3 pieces)so that when spread out in the cockpit I can lift which everyone I need to to get into that compartments. I covered them with indoor/outdoor carpet from Lowe's (they have a blue that matches the sailcovers) when sailing I stack them on top of each other and push them all the way back under the tiller. this gives me more room for seating and also covers my battery and lunch anchor. now to the sleeping part, when sleeping outdoors I spread the slats out and they cover the entire cockpit making a real nice platform. I went to WalMart and got a queen sized air mattress for $39.99 and with my boom tent up it make for great sleeping for two. when the weather is not so good, I take the slats down into the salon and yes they fit nicely from settee to settee, put your air mattress on top and again great queen sized bed for two. it is a little bit of a hassle to set up and take down but hey for a great nights sleep,,,, well worth it!!!

ps: while on the hook, we sometime spread the slats out and put lawn chair on the platform, great for lounging around.

Edited by - on

jellyfish
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
171 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 12:19:37

pss: as for the q'berth that is my storage/junk room. it holds my AC, small ridge, lawn chairs, etc, etc

remember we are crusisers not racers, and as I have stated before we look like the Beverly Hillbillies afloat!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - on

Brooke Willson
Admiral

Members Avatar

USA
983 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 12:37:59

I thought the hammock thingy is called a lee cloth, not board, for obvious reasons. . .

I have found that the quarterberth is noisy. . . water slaps under the transom. It can also be really hot.

I'd vote for the lee cloth, but find sleeping athwartships is no problem. Check the Tech Tips on the website for instructions on how to easily create a queensized berth on the main saloon. Then you and the Admiral can sleep together <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> (or not)!

Brooke

Edited by - brooke willson on 10/17/2002 12:38:38

Edited by - brooke willson on 10/17/2002 12:39:49

Edited by - brooke willson on 10/17/2002 12:41:04

Edited by - on

osmepneo
Past Commodore

Members Avatar

USA
1420 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 14:32:05

After my previous post, I thought about the q-berth as the general purpose storage area, and my desire to keep things simple.

So, while I'd vote for the q-berth, for sleeping - I have never slept there, I'd be concerned about moving lifejackets, sails, etc. every time. So, maybe the q-berth isn't a really good solution!

Glad my wife and can sleep together on the v-berth!

Don peet
c25, osmepneo, 1665, sr/wk
Ready for spring

Edited by - on

RichardG
Admiral

Members Avatar

USA
990 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 15:34:24

I too feel the v-berth is too small for two adults. My wife and oldest daughter sleep there. My youngest daughter pretty much monopolizes the cabin area with her port-a-crib. I like to sleep in the quarterberth (head forward). It's got the most length and width for comfortable sleep. I also think it's less rocky there than the v-berth. Plus, while at anchor I usually wake up a couple times at night wondering if I've moved. A quick peak out the hatch to confirm that the same constellation is in view, combined with a peak out the side window to confirm my neighbor's mast (or a tree on shore) is still there, is usually enough to reassure myself so that I can calmly fall asleep again without having to get out of bed. During the day, my quarterberth also often becomes a storage area (and entertainment center). As I am the usually the last to go to bed, it doesn't take long to move the stuff out to the settee.

Buzz -- I think that picture is of Ed Montague's daughter's friend being held in by the lee cloth which Ed made at home. I may be going the same route when Mary graduates from her port-a-crib. For some reason, the idea of blocking the cabin with a full-size bed does not appeal to me.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

Edited by - on

RichardG
Admiral

Members Avatar

USA
990 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 15:43:32

Here's how Ed did it...

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1609

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

Edited by - on

Ed Montague
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
499 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 19:28:52

Looks like I need to check in more often. The lee cloth does make the starboard seat a more secure place to sleep and by extending the seat out over the original position by 3 1/2" (doesn't seem like much) and removing the upright back pad you gain another 2" inches or so. I purchased the lee cloth from West Marine for less then $15.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
1978 #765 SK, Stnd, Dinette ~_/)~

Edited by - on

ronrryan
Admiral

Members Avatar

USA
561 Posts

Response Posted - 10/17/2002 : 21:04:24

Thanks to all you fine sailors for your time and attention. I am presently contemplating all advice and cogitating (read: "procrastinating") and deciding WHERE on the LIST all this should be placed. But soon the saw will be screaming, etc. Godspeed, Ron C25srsk Orion #2343 SW FL

Edited by - on

jellyfish
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
171 Posts

Response Posted - 10/18/2002 : 11:32:07

good luck Ron, my rig only cost about $100 and Lowe's will cut the piece of plywood for you. Then all you have to do is nail the indoor/outdoor carpet on with uphostery tacks and your ready to go or sleep! LOL

Edited by - on

Randall
Navigator

Members Avatar

123 Posts

Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 19:14:15

I too was initially resistant to the idea of lying athwartships at night, but couldn't find any other sensible layout. Our 8 year old daughter wants her own space, so she gets the V-berth. My wife and I want to be together in a large, cool, well ventilated area with a view. That leaves either the cockpit area, or the main cabin with the pop-top up. We haven't yet tried Jellyfish's idea of cockpit filler-boards, but it sure make sense to me and I plan to try it. So far, I've focused on using filler-boards in the cabin to create a 5'W X7'L berth athwartships-- a queen-sized bed with a view of the stars.

What clinched my decision to use this layout came when I started looking for a way to install the new stereo system in my boat.
I really enjoy high fidelity music, and can listen for hours when I have the rare opportunity to do so. Most home/boat/car speaker layouts don't privide true fidelity because of bad speaker placement. In cars for instance, the best sounds come from the rear speakers. Who goes to a great concert and then sits with his back turned to the orchestra? Music should come in from front-and-center in a 30-45 degree arc to replicate concert sounds.

When I set about installing speakers in my dinette-layout C25, I couldn't find a way to position the speakers for true stereo sound WITHOUT lying athwartships. If you simply position speakers at all four corners of your cabin, you'll have as much "music-noise" as you want, but poor fidelity. Regardless where you sit, you will predominantly hear either the left or right channel.

To get good sound, We lie athwartships with our heads against the portside of the hull. I arrayed the main speakers along the starboard side. On the left and right end of the starboard shelf are the primary speakers. Since the big speakers are 6' apart, I installed a smaller "filler" speaker in the center (with both left and right channels wired into it) to prevent a "hole" in the sound. Then I put in two smaller speakers at the L & R end of the portside shelf on either side of our heads. We "fade" the sound so that 70% comes from the front (starboard) and 30% from the rear (port) speakers.
RESULTS: very nice sound with low amperage draw. The system is just a typical 40 watt-per-channel car stereo. Total cost: $600.

Please understand, we normally don't play music while sailing. We are there for the joys of sailing and to be in harmony in nature. At anchor, we're not the kind of jerks who crank up our stereo and inflict our music on others. But when we are in the mood for music, the athwartship layout provides us the best option for clear, clean
sound.

Randall

Edited by - on

dlucier
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
7583 Posts

Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 21:47:09

<b>"...we normally don't play music while sailing." - Randall</b>

I find it very relaxing when I'm singlehanding on the same tack for an hour or two, steady winds, sail trim set, with the autopilot at the helm. I recline on the windward side of the cockpit against a cushion and the stern pulpit, my feet crossed and propped up on the coaming, beverage at the ready, as some soothing music is gently wafting from the companionway. Aahhh,...That's the life! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
Catalina

Edited by - on

Dave Bristle
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
10005 Posts

Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 22:26:31

D^mn it Don, I just went on the hard last week... Take it easy on me! <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

Edited by - on

dlucier
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
7583 Posts

Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 23:12:28

Dave,

Uhhh...I'm still in denial, but I(sniff)...I(sniff)... I'm also on the(whimper)...the(whimper)......hard! <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
Catalina

Edited by - on

ssteakley
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
467 Posts

Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 23:34:54

Trade up to a 250 and problem is solved!
Steve Steakley

Edited by - on

dlucier
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
7583 Posts

Response Posted - 10/24/2002 : 01:16:14

Trade "UP" to a 250??? Oops...sorry! Wrong topic! <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
Catalina

Edited by - on

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.