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Tom Potter
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Initially Posted - 07/05/2009 : 07:28:58

I found a nice little Com-Pac 27, the wife loves it and gave me the okay, so I made an offer and we'll see. While its technically only 2 feet longer than my 250 that 2 feet is big on this boat. Has a diesel and is rich with teak especially down below. Has about everything one could want; standing head room, shower, hot/cold pressure water, opening bronze ports, etc. etc. Its been on the hard for 3 years and is going to need some cleaning and stuff but that's fun work for me. Its a pretty yacht'y looking boat.

There are plenty of bigger boats in my price range, but this one seems to fit the niche well. Got my fingers crossed the deal is excepted, then its survey and sea trials time.

Anyone here with Com-pac knowledge that could offer me some insight on areas of concern special to Com-pac's?

1997 250 TR WK (sold)
1984 O'Day 28 (sold)
1979 SISU 22
Bath, NC.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 07/05/2009 10:09:30

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/05/2009 : 07:41:36

All I know about Com-Pacs is based on the fact that a friend had a Com-Pac 23, and he sailed it all over the Bahamas, including in some rough weather, and it took good care of him. It had very nice fiberglass work, and was very solidly constructed. I think you're going to be very pleased with the boat.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/05/2009 : 08:00:15

Lovely boat!

We looked at a Com-Pac 25 (originally was the Watkins 25) and loved the workmanship, style, and space. (The price reflected all of its fine qualities.) The 27 has even more classic lines and proportions, with shallow draft and a beautiful interior. I think you'll love it!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 07/05/2009 08:02:20

redviking
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Response Posted - 07/05/2009 : 09:47:45

That's what I call a Pocket Yacht! Nice vessel! Very seaworthy in all conditions. Almost an Island Packet!

http://www.boatus.com/jackhornor/sail/ComPac27.asp

Sounds like the rudder is the only area of concern.

Good luck! I'll help deliver it on the wawa...

sten

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windsong
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Response Posted - 07/05/2009 : 14:47:59

A friend owned one, sailed it for 5 years - including a voyage from Long Island to Myrtle Beach - and sold it for more than he paid for it. He really misses that boat. Tells me so after a few sundowners. He so loved to single-hand it that he wouldn't take eager crew, even for races. I hope you get it. Looks like a great step up from the 250. And yes, Sten, it does have that lovely Island Packet look. I want pictures.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 07/06/2009 : 12:25:33

I looked at one prior to buying my 250. The problem was with the bow sprint which added couple extra feet and that went over the allowed length at my slip. But I loved the beauty of Com-Pac, like Dave stated. Its a work of art.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 07/06/2009 : 16:18:51

Tom, are you going to the wheel?

Com-pac's are a really nice boat, from what I have read, they are about 6,000lbs till you put your stuff on board. But I guess at 9'6" beam you won't be trailering her around.

Is it local or in NC?

Paul

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/07/2009 : 16:07:19

It's a go!

The owner has accepted the offer, and I'm scheduling a survey for next week.

Paul, as much as I hate to, I guess I'll keep the wheel.

So how many boats do I need in my fleet to become a commodore?

So here's the refer a sailor plan.
$100 bucks to the Fourm Member in good standing that refers a buyer for Knotty Cat and deal goes through. (can I do that without breaking any association rules?)

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 07/07/2009 : 20:34:00

Tom:

Only know owners of a 23 and they love the boat -- I am sure you will too. Keep us posted as to the condition after 3 years on the hard and how you like her when you put her through her paces.

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EAbrams
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Response Posted - 07/08/2009 : 06:17:48

Ain't retirement grand?

Enjoy it Tom

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 07/08/2009 : 11:44:42

Tom Potter
Top drawer boat.........we need to see that first before picture, what year model is it?
Welcome to the NO MORE BUMP YOUR HEAD CLUB.

paulj

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 17:07:48

Well the survey was not to kind to the old ComPac. Seems the rudder was 75% delaminated and the shore power and wiring was done compliments of Home Depot. There were a few other smaller items, all of which I could of repaired. I even priced out a new rudder from ComPac but the owner would not drop the price a dime. So I walked. He's going to be faced with the same issues when someone else has a survey done on it. I'm out the survey cost.

I know there are plenty of boats in better shape out there for the same money. I just have to find it.

The search continues

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 17:09:14

Wisdom, it comes with age and the occasional survey. Smart move, Tom.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 17:20:37

surveys are generally not kind to the seller. How much was the rudder? Shore power not factory? Vessels should be evaluated by seaworthiness first, and then by the repair list. If the rudder isn't too much then you might be wise to keep an eye on this one. All good ole boats have issues. What about repairing the existing rudder?

sten

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 18:46:19

Tom,
Sorry to hear the boat wasn't up to spec. It's tough to make that decision, but you have to weigh your time spent fixing all the problems vs your skill set, time available to do fixes and desire to do so. I know we walked away from several dozen boats before buying SL and the experience of going through that many boats was worth it. Hopefully the next one that comes along is the right one.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 19:00:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 surveys are generally not kind to the seller. How much was the rudder? Shore power not factory? Vessels should be evaluated by seaworthiness first, and then by the repair list. If the rudder isn't too much then you might be wise to keep an eye on this one. All good ole boats have issues. What about repairing the existing rudder?

sten
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A new rudder from compac with shipping would run about $800. The shore power was installed by someone other than factory. It had a house hold grey "Double D" metal 4 breaker panel and house solid copper wire running to all the receptacle with standard house light switches. The survey said the hold system with wire would have to be removed. There was also some issues of the holding tanks and plumbing not up to standards and fuel lines single clamped and fuel filler not bonded. There were some simple fixes but the rudder and shore power were going to cost a little more than I wanted to pay. The owner made a few comments that did not sit well with me, like the home style shore power was better than any marine type shore power system and that there was nothing wrong with a delaminated rudder. yea, tell me that when I'm in a inlet during a storm and the rudder falls off. That got me thinking of what other types of repairs he had made to the boat over the years. Hmmmm.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 07/16/2009 19:01:29

delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 20:57:45

Sounds like you made the right choice. The owner sounds sketchy and you don't want to find out the hard way where he skimped on other things the surveyor didn't find.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 21:07:06

Your ship will come in.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/16/2009 : 21:28:49

Good move. Solid wire in a boat is a fire hazard--it's a very basic principle. Who knows what else he screwed up?

You might want to keep your eyes open for a Cape Dory 27 or 28, too. I suspect they were the inspiration for the Com-Pac 27.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/17/2009 : 11:57:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Potter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 surveys are generally not kind to the seller. How much was the rudder? Shore power not factory? Vessels should be evaluated by seaworthiness first, and then by the repair list. If the rudder isn't too much then you might be wise to keep an eye on this one. All good ole boats have issues. What about repairing the existing rudder?

sten
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A new rudder from compac with shipping would run about $800. The shore power was installed by someone other than factory. It had a house hold grey "Double D" metal 4 breaker panel and house solid copper wire running to all the receptacle with standard house light switches. The survey said the hold system with wire would have to be removed. There was also some issues of the holding tanks and plumbing not up to standards and fuel lines single clamped and fuel filler not bonded. There were some simple fixes but the rudder and shore power were going to cost a little more than I wanted to pay. The owner made a few comments that did not sit well with me, like the home style shore power was better than any marine type shore power system and that there was nothing wrong with a delaminated rudder. yea, tell me that when I'm in a inlet during a storm and the rudder falls off. That got me thinking of what other types of repairs he had made to the boat over the years. Hmmmm.
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Bummer... Sellers like that are good to avoid. However, I still stand behind the fact that overall the vessel is a good one - just poorly upgraded and maintained. $800 seems very reasonable. He should have sucked it up... Idiot... Oh well... BTW, surveyors are overly cautious about electrical for all of the right reasons... BUT, there are instances wherein non marine boxes et al will meet ABYC standards.

Try to sell the owner on selling your survey to the next tire kicker... If I had executed EVERY recommendation from our 11 hour survey, I'd still be on the hard...

sten

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EAbrams
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Response Posted - 07/17/2009 : 14:39:08

Sorry to hear it didn't work out for you, Tom. Just curious was it the Com- Pac in Oriental? I may have seen your survey being done on Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

Edited by - EAbrams on 07/17/2009 14:42:29

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/17/2009 : 20:00:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...BUT, there are instances wherein non marine boxes et al will meet ABYC standards...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I don't think solid (un-stranded) wire fits in any of those instances.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/20/2009 : 04:50:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...BUT, there are instances wherein non marine boxes et al will meet ABYC standards...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I don't think solid (un-stranded) wire fits in any of those instances.
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agreed, and that stuff is expensive...

sten

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 07/21/2009 : 18:00:44

Seller sounded like a $^%&&. Bad karma, RUN!

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