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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Initially Posted - 07/10/2009 : 19:47:03

I just got an e-mail directly to my address--not through the association--from a Bill LaJoie at "powertiller.com", about "new products for my sailboat"--using her name, Passage (although I no longer own Passage). My question is, how did he get my address? The association site is not supposed to make that possible. Anybody else heard from this guy? Any ideas of how he got my (or your) address??

Association Port Captain, Mystic, CT
Past member and DPO of C-25 #5032
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing) and posting as "Stinkpotter".

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 07/10/2009 : 20:20:13

Dave
I did not receive any such note, not yet any how. I wonder whether there's somebody going through the "Owners" database?

Once we're anywhere on the internet, we lose our anonymity. I tried typing Dave Bristle into Yahoo and found a few articles about Sarge, WNYC with Brian Lehrer, etc. I listen to WNYC too, I'm surprised you can get the station way out in Mystic, unless you listed to the internet radio station . . . .

Try bruce2sail and voyager. I was surprised . . . .

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 07/10/2009 : 20:35:13

I got the same.
Interestingly it was sent to an e-mail addy that is no longer listed with the assoc. or on the forum.
It is an address that I originally used when I first registered in the forum but that is now changed.
So...
Power Tiller seems to have accessed (been given

) an earlier list of members. Hmmm...

They do have an opt out link at the bottom of the page.

Update: 
I just searched for Peregrine and the e-mail addy the spam was sent to and found that I had included that e-mail addy on three posts when I was the General Editor of the Mainsheet.
Dave there are two posts where you included your e-mail address on posts in the forum.
It must have been tedious but I think the sales person "Bill" at salex@powertiller.net has searched the forum for posts with e-mail addresses.

Edited by - Peregrine on 07/10/2009 20:53:37

delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/10/2009 : 21:29:08

I've dealt with Bill LaJoie when I bought my power tiller from him. He's a former member of the association and owns a C-25 (his videos are made on it with his daughter demonstrating how to use his various products). While I can't completely vouch for him, he struck me as a pretty decent guy. However, it sounds like he did some data mining on the site, which I'm not sure is against the rules. Oddly, he has my email & phone number, but I haven't heard from him either (yet).

He was very interested in getting the mailing list when I talked to him, and I handed him off to whoever was the secretary at the time (15 months ago or so?). I doubt that he got any information from them though, and I never heard from him about it again.

If you're paying attention on the site, it's possible to do data mining, people frequently expose their email addresses (the Port Captain thread comes to mind), so if you were looking for an audience and had the patience to do so, quite a few of our email addresses are available, but you'd have to actually read threads (or design a bot) to do so.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/11/2009 : 05:49:07

I got the spam email. No current officer or staff "gave" him a listing.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 07/11/2009 : 08:23:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Peregrine
 ...Dave there are two posts where you included your e-mail address on posts in the forum.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yup--actually one is a Telltale that lists my address for sending ballots in the 2005 election--not a forum post. The other was a discussion on spam, where my address is altered to prevent automatic harvesting. But here's a kicker (for some of us)--a quote from that thread:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I also got that piece of spam, and have it all the others that are not listed in my directory sent to a junk mail folder. Most of the junk mail doesn't ever get opened as I just clean out the folder. New York has a "Do Not Call" Law for teemarketers. That has pretty ended their assault, but it would be good to have a spam killer law to end that kind of junk mail.

Don Peet<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Anybody see the irony?

Data mining in that fashion is not against any laws (or I guess even any rules here), but I'd say it's not the way to ingratiate yourself to potential customers.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 07/11/2009 08:27:10

tinob
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Response Posted - 07/11/2009 : 10:56:01

I got it also.....

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glivs
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Response Posted - 07/11/2009 : 17:37:37

A quick google search of the @ sign on our website turned up well over 1200 hits...I only verified that the first two were email addresses but it appears as was already noted, one could readily mine numerous addresses with a little patience.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 07/14/2009 : 08:57:11

I got it, it was to Mocca Latte, a boat name I used for about a month when I first joined. I think it is only noted on the boat owners list.

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#2790 - Moca Latte, 1982 standard rig, swing keel
Frank and Martha Hopper, Wichita KS

Edited by - pastmember on 07/14/2009 09:00:09

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