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LOREN SOUERS
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Response Posted - 10/20/2002 : 14:11:56

I know what to do. This will bring unity back to our gang. Let's start a "Why Hunters Suck" thread.

Paul
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Paul,

Luv ya! Dude!

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Response Posted - 10/20/2002 : 14:23:07

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Got a kick out of some of the comments <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Loren said she was surprised at the response her post drew... hehe... kinda like when South Carolina succeeded from the Union and wondered who caused all the uproar. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dennis

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Dennis,

I just checked my chromosomes and I have an X and a Y chromosome. So I must be a MALE homo sapien. (Of course, you would not know that. But now you do!)

Loren, Skipper of
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(By the way<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> I just took Nimue over to be pulled out of the water for the Ohio winter.)

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Response Posted - 10/20/2002 : 19:40:06

Thanks Loren.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 10/20/2002 : 19:44:15

Loren,

I just noticed that you are an Ohio sailor.

I'm from Columbus.

What lake do you sail on?

Paul

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Response Posted - 10/20/2002 : 20:27:19

I had a C-22 before I bought my 250. The 25 is just a big 22. There is one in the slip next to me. And I'm still waiting to race him. Trouble is he isn't ever there. I know I sail at least every other week. I sail by the seat of my pants. And BTW, my cockpit looks a lot bigger and easier to get in and out of than the 25. My pop-top is a lot easier to raise. My V-berth is a lot easier to get into. And it certainly has a lot more air moving through it. I like being able to look forward from inside the cabin. I like being able to sleep with the Admiral either forward or aft. And I like sailing in strong winds. And I've never had a problem doing it. I like having a boarding ladder that is right there when you want it. No fuss, no muss. I like being able to pour fuel into the tank without flooding the cabin with fumes. I like not having to put an outboard bracket up & down to use the motor. And I LOVE to do anything on the water, my boat, your boat, sail, fish, scuba, you name it... <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Safe voyages,
Ben, FL s/v Chick-a-pea C250wk

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Response Posted - 10/21/2002 : 11:27:32

I was out on the lake yesterday with only about 1 1/2 hours to spend, so I went out and single handed my 250....I averaged about 3.5 knots with all the sails out. I sailed past a McGregor 22 and then when it was time for me to turn around and head back a Rhodes 23 was near so I followed him and sailed past him as well. I thought about this thread and realized that all this has nothing to do with teak or plastic.....but with sailing. I know I would enjoy being at the helm of a Cat 25, and I know the cat 25 owner would enjoy having a chance to sail a 250.....Sailing is the important thing....
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LOREN SOUERS
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Response Posted - 10/21/2002 : 11:52:36

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Loren,

I just noticed that you are an Ohio sailor.

I'm from Columbus.

What lake do you sail on?

Paul

Paul,

I assume when you say, "I'm from Columbus, you are now in Georgia(?). Anyway, I sail on Atwood Lake, about 25 miles south of Canton, Ohio. It's a small, but lovely lake in the hills of Carroll and Tuscarawas Counties. I hope to get back onto Lake Erie one of the years, after paying for college educations and, at the moment, one wedding. These things set you back. Honestly, I will probably cease being a C25 owner at that time, as I will hopefully be able to afford a larger boat. I also may consider putting a boat on the Chessapeake, but that will have to be big enough to live on for a week or so at a time. (I don't consider my C25 big enough to live on for any time. I like my creature comforts.)
Anyway, thanks for asking. And to others, I am sorry for starting over. The skirmishes seem to be subsiding.

Loren Souers, in Northeastern Ohio, where water will soon be hardening.
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Response Posted - 10/21/2002 : 12:37:27

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A very good summation, Steve. Now can we let this topic R.I.P?
Derek
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Hell no! We owe the C-250 folks a few more beers after this one!

We were looking HARD at the 250, but the 25 was a better fit in a budget ravaged by two college educations and a wedding, all of which followed two career interruptions that went longer than planned. I like each model for what it is--Catalina really hits the mark in terms of quality for the dollar, and the 250, IMHO, is FAR AND AWAY the best buy in its category right now.

I'm enjoying the fiddling around with the 25, getting things fixed up and rigged for ease-of-use, and I like her looks. But I'd like to be able to step through the transom and eliminate the outboard bracket. I also like the mainsheet placement--away from the helmsman's neck. The 250 may be a Clorox bottle, but its quality, strength, finish and hardware really stand out if you look at its competition. Hell, I may just move "up" to it! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 10/21/2002 : 15:02:06

Hey Loren,

I left Columbus in 1994. I miss lots of things about her except the weather. Our next move will be to Florida. Hopefully soon.

I know where Atwood Lake is.

Recently, posted on the Catalina owners page, and on Atwood Lake, there was a 1991 Catalina 25 for sale. She looked really nice. Must have been one of the last ones made being a 91.

I like the Mid 80's models. They have lots of that good looking teak stuff.

I have done quite a bit of Walleye fishing from Port Clinton with my friend Jim Russell on his Marinette 32 Salon Bridge. I miss Jim and Lake Erie. After a hard day of fishing we would sit in the "Flybridge Lounge" and play "name that yacht" as they cruised by west harbor.

Good times,

Paul

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Response Posted - 10/22/2002 : 01:41:14

Whoa…Whoa! What’s going on here? I, in no way, believe that neither the person who started this topic, nor anyone posting to this topic did so to insult or offend our fellow Catalina owners. I wasn’t aware that this topic was being taken so seriously, because I think everyone is aware that it is impossible to compare the C250 and the C25 (apples and oranges) and to do so is almost laughable. If you want to talk about ridiculing or denigrating boats, let’s talk about the Macgregor, arguably the most denigrated and ridiculed boat ever built, that I owned for seven years. I don’t think I have to tell anyone how this boat is perceived in the sailing world, but I was never offended when people, shall we say, discussed the inadequacies of this boat nor did I think they were suffering from “illusions of grandeur, or feelings of inadequacy”, because they didn’t hold the same opinion of my boat that I did.

Additionally, I agree that we should be careful of how we say something, but I don’t think we should avoid topics with opposing viewpoints because of the possibility of annoying someone. Should we avoid subjects like “wood finishes” because I may be offended if a teak oil lover says they don’t like my hideous, construction-cone orange, high maintenance Cetol’d exterior teak? Do we also avoid talk on outboards because I may get annoyed by Honda 4-stroke owners citing why their motors are better than my gas-guzzling, oil-spewing, smoke belching, exceedingly noisy Mercury 2-stroke? Or, what about my old, obsolete, curtain burnin’, impossible to light, death trap of a stove? Or my stinkpot family members?...We should be able to state an opinion, but be ever mindful of how we say it.

Lastly, the reason this topic is “repeated again and again and again” in the C25 forum, and that it seems that most jokes are at the expense of the C-250 owners, is probably due to the activity on the C25 forum outnumbering the activity on the C250 forum by a 4-to-1 margin. This could be due to a higher number of C25's out there and prospective C25 owners seeking advice. Other times, these topics originate with newer C25 owners who are not fully aware of the response that this topic, and other similar topics, generates. Yes, most long-term forum residents know the sensitive nature of this topic and probably wouldn't initiate it, but that doesn't mean we should assume that when this topic is asked by someone, that it was done with malice.

"OK, so when do we get to put the Cetol on the MacGregor?"- Stu Jackson

Stu, now that is funny!!!!<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Response Posted - 10/22/2002 : 13:57:06

, Catalina will still be on my list of choices. I’ll still believe that dollar-for-dollar and pound-for-pound, my Catalina was the best value in the industry.

AMEN AND PASS THE BISCUITS AND BACON!

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Response Posted - 10/22/2002 : 14:21:23

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>...the reason this topic is “repeated again and again and again” in the C25 forum, and that it seems that most jokes are at the expense of the C-250 owners, is probably due to the activity on the C25 forum outnumbering the activity on the C250 forum by a 4-to-1 margin. This could be due to a higher number of C25's out there and prospective C25 owners seeking advice. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Or it could be because C-250 owners are out sailing their boats instead of mocking other sailors' boats on the internet<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>.

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Response Posted - 10/22/2002 : 14:47:39

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I left Columbus in 1994. I miss lots of things about her except the weather. Our next move will be to Florida. Hopefully soon.
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Paul,
I see you are near Atlanta. I would have left the Columbus area too. But I suppose you are not a snow skier, as I am, so you probably don't like the snow too much. I probably have spent as much or more time skiing as I have sailing, so I really don't mind putting the boat up for the winter. It means ski season isn't far away. I already have plans for a couple trips.
I guess as this thread is suggesting, "A chaque un sa gous." (To each his own.)

Thanks for the letter.

Loren
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Response Posted - 10/22/2002 : 19:05:50

Loren - with all due respect, shouldn't it be "chacun a son gout"?
or "each to his taste" (Mind you, it's been 50 years since I did french...)<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 11:37:41

Hmmm... "Clorox Bottle...." is such a evocative discription. Sometimes, however... it seems appropriate. I keep thinking, though, plastic can be good. Stainless hand rails. Okay. They don't turn gray... Maybe that's why European marinas are full of boats that look like that.

C250 has a lot to recommend for itself. I'm living in Europe (Italy) with no boat. Stationed in Memphis (for 2 years) prior to this with 3 teenaged sons. Sold my C22 when I left the west coast, and purchased a ski boat for the Memphis years. Good move. Kids loved it. Left ski boat with brother-in-law for use with family there, and will reclaim upon return next summer (two teenaged sons still at home), but I digress...

Folks, I'm jonesin' for a sail like you wouldn't believe, but making my plans while I await repatriation. That's just it, though. I'm making plans, but keep changing them, because I can't decide which I like better: Traditional look (c25) or modern convenience and styling (c250). I like traditional. A lot. So does my wife. But I also like that big, open cockpit of the 250, the walk-through transom, the convenience of the outboard mount, the ease of trailering. 25's got the aesthetic that takes me beyond rational thought. There is just no good reason why I like that look, that sheer line, the teak accents. 250 communicates to me more time on the water, ease of transport. Sigh... good thing I've got nine more months to change my mind... again, and again.

I get my sailing fix here every day - vicariously, of course. You all who contribute comments - controversial and otherwise - keep the vision alive for me. I can't wait to get back in U.S. coastal waters where life is more, uh... convenient... no, familiar, um... well, I'm not sure how to describe it, but sailing there will be a reality, and not a computer screen.

Meanwhile, I'm still meditating on the choice: 25 or 250? Thanks for reading.

Rick

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Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 11:49:55

Wow... I go back packing in Big Bend National Park (S/W Texas)for a few days... come back to discover ya'll having nearly as much fun as me without leaving the computer...

This thread did cause a pungeant realization for me... that I hadn't visited the c25 section for a long long time. And, I remembered that there are c25'ers that continue to share (very welcomed)on the c250 forumn.

I wasn't happy about the forum format change (a necessity) and even less excited about splitting the boats into seperate sections. I think the basic reason was that the C25//250 association for me is a virtual yacht club that replaces the local yacht club that I have never been inclined towards.

In some ways, the Trailer Sailor and our link to that added to that cyber yacht club experience.... one forumn format linked together and easily crossed searched, many similar faces, etc.

Anyway, I'm feeling that the error is mine, I should take the time to visit the c25 section regularly to continue to rub shoulders with so many faces that I've enjoyed for many years now.

Among the many great points offered, was that this thread ought to have been in the General section. I agree... because I realized I've missed the interchange with so many of you.

btw... I was recently quiered by one of you about the lack of producing stories of my last two summer cruises. Both of those offered some interesting sailing and cruising and work has been started to do that.

Thanks to all for the good thoughts presented in this thread... and the good spirit in which they were conveyed...

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 12:33:30

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This thread did cause a pungeant realization for me... that I hadn't visited the c25 section for a long long time. And, I remembered that there are c25'ers that continue to share (very welcomed)on the c250 forumn.

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Well said Arlyn I was thinking the same thing, but hate to type so I left that thought out of any of my responses. I think the only excuse I have to offer for not visiting the c25 forum is the summer sailing season and time management. I do find myself checking the c25 discussions once again as a result of this discussion. Thanks Don for the wake-up call you supplied over on the c250 forum. I will check in at least till spring.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 22:26:57

Been away from the forum for awhile and I must say this is a good thread to come back too. I guess I will throw in my 2 cents. I was lucky to be raised on a sailboat. Sailing to my family was more than a hobbie it was a way of life. Every weekend from May 1 to mid October we were at the lake in eastern Indiana, any vacation time my dad had was spent on the boat. Even though my family had a Chrysler 22 & then a 26 being a teenager I spent most of my time away from my parents and sailed with other people on the popular boat on the lake the c25. Back in the late 70's most of them were sr/sk. Racing season was spring and fall I was always racing with my dad. The c25 was no competition. I could not figure out why people wanted a c25. It was slow, very cramped down below and did not have the head room as the Chrysler 26 did. Around 1981 when Steve Milby and others showed up with their tr/fk the racing got more competitive and the cabins down below came out with the table that folded up to the head I started to see why. I grow up and left the lake in 1985 knowing that someday I would own a c25. As the years passed and I got to the point I could start putting money away for a bigger boat the c25 was gone and replaced by the c250. At first it was like the feeling you get when Ford & Chevy redesign their trucks you are not sure you like it then you get used to the change, thats how I felt in 1998 when I saw the c250wk at the Denver boat show. In 2000 when we purchased our c250wk I really understood the reasons Catalina made the changes. This is the greatest boat for families with kids. There are not many 25' boats you can put the kids to sleep in the v-berth and still sit at the table. The rear berth is plenty big for me and the wife. Times changed, my dad had time to rub the teak. I don't nor do I want to. The c250 is a very easy boat to keep clean and to work on as well as add the custom touches we all desire, I would not trade it for a c25 or any other 25 or 26 footer out there. I'm sure I will remember this thread 15 years from now when Catalina again must change with the times and redesign the c250. I'm sure we will all again have our 2 cents to add about the design.

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Response Posted - 10/23/2002 : 23:50:27

Well stated Bryan,
I have to wonder what a brand new 2003 Catalina 25 would cost today?
and what changes may have been made.......?
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Response Posted - 10/24/2002 : 12:13:21

I don't think it matters whether you sail an old pram with a square bedsheet sail or a Hinckley B40, it's the sailing. Whatever boat works for you and you can afford that enables you to GO SAILING is a great boat. Now, I can't understand those people who motor sailboats when there is a fair wind and tide; why not just get a stinker?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 10/25/2002 : 11:08:53

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Loren - with all due respect, shouldn't it be "chacun a son gout"?
or "each to his taste" (Mind you, it's been 50 years since I did french...)<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Derek,
Wow!!! You really have to be on your toes in these discussions. You're liable to get your French corrected. I, too, have not taken French since about 1968. I stand corrected (I guess).
So... do you recognize the literary reference of the name of my boat, Nimue? The "e" should have two dots over it. It is pronounced "Nim-Way." Nimue was the "Lady of the Lake" in Sir Walter Scott novels about Arthurian legend. My intellectual daughter came up with it, and, as we sail on a lake, I liked it.

Thanks,

Loren, owner of the dry
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Response Posted - 10/25/2002 : 18:54:29

loren your missing the point of why the 250WB is a great boat...trailerability. The main compromises are headroom and performance (pure speed on certain points of sail in light wind). I don't consider the lack of teak and maintenance an issue. The fact is the boat is a joy to sail and trailers like an 18'powerboat. When I bought mine, I had no slip and the prospects of getting one, (in my lifetime), on the beautiful mt. lake that I love to sail weren't good, so trailerability was a huge issue with me. Well, I did finally get the slip and now trailering is not the issue it once was, but I still love the boat. The only boats I would consider trading for would be an older Hunter 26.5,(less $$) a C270 (way more $$) or a full race harkenized J24 with a bagfull of 3DL sails (roughly same $$).
I'm glad you're happy with your C25< I'm sure all that teak looks fantastic. If you're in Idaho next summer look me up, I'll take you sailing and I'll bet you'll have a different opinion on that lousy C250.

Andy Anderson
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Response Posted - 10/27/2002 : 14:09:05

Loren - you got me on that one!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Response Posted - 10/27/2002 : 22:46:26

Loren,
must be a record.........1276 hits!,
Steve Steakley

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Response Posted - 10/28/2002 : 15:54:22

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loren your missing the point of why the 250WB is a great boat...trailerability.
Andy Anderson
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Andy,
I acknowledged trailerability as the benefit of the 250 from the outset (and that was a while ago.) Trailerability was concededly not too big an issue for me, but I recognize the importance of trailerability to these "pocket cruisers," such as our C25's and C250's. My C25 has a full keel which was excellent for Lake Erie, but no good for trailering. I have seen the full keel models hauled onto a trailer, and that is quite a job, and quite a trailer. I do not know, but I suspect the C250 is quite a bit lighter without the water in the keel (however that works). That would make it much more trailerable too.

I believe I have done my penance for my comment a couple weeks ago, and I am about to cease checking this thread, which I so foolishly started.
Thanks for your comments. I know I would love Idaho. I am a skier.

Loren Souers, skipper
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