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gracer
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Initially Posted - 11/05/2002 :  07:54:34  Show Profile
While preparing to take the boat out of the water, I tried to raise the swing keel. It came up (was very heavy) but would not latch in the up position.

What is the problem, any help or suggestions

Bob
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OJ
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Response Posted - 11/05/2002 :  12:10:21  Show Profile
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It came up (was very heavy)
<font color=blue>Could be turning ball and/or winch</font id=blue>

but would not latch in the up position.
<font color=blue>Sounds like the winch - never heard of anyone fixing those. It it <i>is</i> the winch, I believe you can buy one from Catalina Direct. Don't get alarmed - they're not that expensive.</font id=blue>
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Earl Landers
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Response Posted - 11/05/2002 :  14:01:15  Show Profile
Bob,
Hi Bob, welcome! I am not sure what the cause of your problem is, but maybe you don't have one. The original keel winch has no latch per se. It uses a braking mechinism that stops the winch drum from rotating until there is input from the crank. If you are looking for a latch and can't find it, that is not a problem. If the braking system isn't working, or if a DPO has replaced the keel winch with one with a ratcheting pawl/no brake, you need to call Catalina Direct for a new winch (~$130 in my book). They are relatively easy to replace. Hope that helps.

Earl Landers
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c25sailor
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Response Posted - 11/05/2002 :  22:24:08  Show Profile
Bob,

Can't add much more than the great advice you've already received. If you were able to crank it more than a few turns without it coming back down, the winch is doing its thing, with the braking mechanism.

Yes, it is heavy. I admit I work up a sweat cranking that sucker up all the way (about 28 full turns of the handle- your mileage may vary). So that part is normal. Hey, you are lifting 1500 lbs.

If you're really in a jam to pull her out, maybe you can have someone keep the keel up while you get her onto the trailer. But this could be really risky- you don't want this keel to freefall on you. The better option may be to replace the winch in place. Just don't mess with the hose or turning ball, as you don't want to risk creating a major leak. Keep the original cable to thread onto the new winch, then replace it on land if further inspection warrants.

You may indeed be OK, and hopefully don't have to replace at all.

Good luck.

Ed Jakubas
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 11/06/2002 :  16:29:31  Show Profile
I don't mean to insult with the question. . . but did you turn the winch the correct way (left/counterclockwise to lower, right/clockwise to raise)? This summer my son cranked the wrong way, the keel came up but wouldn't hold, and I busted a finger when the handle became a propeller when we lost grip.

Brooke
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OJ
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Response Posted - 11/06/2002 :  20:28:07  Show Profile
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This summer my son cranked the wrong way, the keel came up but wouldn't hold, and I busted a finger when the handle became a propeller when we lost grip.
Brooke
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Brooke, I hereby nominate you for the DSA for 2002 <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> !
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 11/07/2002 :  09:08:46  Show Profile
I should probably retire the trophy. On the other hand, I'm not the one who cranked the winch the wrong way (stupidity is genetic. . . you get it from your kids).

Brooke
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kenobie51
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Response Posted - 11/07/2002 :  12:20:33  Show Profile
I have to disagree with Earl, I have an original winch, and it does indeed have a latch mechanism. This mechanism engages the brake Earl mentioned. You should hear a clicking sound when you crank. If you don't, the latch pawl is sticking or the spring is broken. A good dose of WD-40 might fix it. Don't stick you fingers in there unless the keel is all the way down and the cable slack. Some where in the Association web site is an exploded diagram of the winch. I'll look for it and post.

Larry
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kenobie51
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Response Posted - 11/07/2002 :  12:45:50  Show Profile
Try this link
http://www.cadvision.com/smithb/tellme/c25swkeel.htm#Winch%20Service
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triley
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Response Posted - 11/07/2002 :  21:12:13  Show Profile
I think Brooke is right on this one. You might have cranked it up the wrong way. The only other thing I can think of is that the braking system that pushes itself in to lock it under pressure isn't catching, but I think you would know if that were the case.


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