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limey156
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Initially Posted - 06/15/2010 : 09:01:45

my friend who went in on the boat with me (i own 1/3 of her) was sailing last weekend and said the whipped eye on our jib halyard let go. i ran up the mast sunday and re ran it, and tied it back on. did i run it how it was supposed to go? everything look ok up there? i am going to be adding a spinnaker halyard...where do i do that? and finally, should my foil for my furler be on the masthead pin one forward from its present location, or is that where i run the spin halyard to?

Thanks gents.

Sun Dancer
1980 C25 SR/SK #1992
Hammock Island Marina, Chesapeake Bay.

Edited by - limey156 on 06/15/2010 09:24:13

jerlim
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 09:08:11

great shots...it seems the forsail halyard is running through a pad-eye of sorts...that doesn't seem correct...

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 09:46:24

That is a wrap preventer for the roller furling.

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 10:33:35

You have the furler in the correct masthead pin. The one forward is for the spinnaker halyard as you thought. The spinnaker or a gennaker both need to fly out front of the jib. I'm only wondering, do you not have a masthead anchor light?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 10:34:08

Urrrr you up there with only one line on you?

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 10:59:10

Don't worry Redeye. The spreaders will break his fall.

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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 11:13:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by skrenz
 Don't worry Redeye. The spreaders will break his fall.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 11:33:27

I reckon you could rig internal halyards without too much trouble, so you'd have 2 line to go up on. Should be pretty easy, especially without all those wires for the anchor light.

I always kinda wanted to do that. Then I'd only have one halyard on each side to tie off to keep from clanging in the night.

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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 12:11:17

Your antenna looks a bit rough. If it's a Metz (I think it is), they have a lifetime warranty on them, and will replace them for free if you think it's not performing as it should. I asked them how I could test mine, and they simply told me to box up the base, send it to them, and they'd replace it.

It looks like whoever is up the mast isn't tied off with two lines? Maybe I simply don't see the tie off points on the deck, it looks like the lines are draped over the boom. Did you have two lines attached (a safety & a backup)?

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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 13:20:18

I guess limey hasn't answered, cause he is in the Horsepital...

Hey.. Watch this...

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 13:42:47

Ray, you are soo BAD!

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limey156
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 14:11:27

redeye, we only had the one halyard remaining, as the jib one came down. not sure what other options there were! i wasnt about to figure out dropping the mast. i am an accomplished rock climber (not to brag!) and generally have more balls than brains, so i just ran up and only used the main halyard as a safety line anyway, didnt use it to bear my weight. I also tested that it would actually hold my weight before i went up :)

Skrenz, you are correct no masthead light, which is a shame and i didnt realize when buying the boat. not a huge deal, and im not sure if i want to bother installing one, ill probably use my coleman battery power lantern hoisted on a halyard any nights i spend on the hook, which will be few.

i have a standard block and shackle spare, can i just throw that on the fwd pin and route the spin halyard around it? do i need the spring on it to make it stand up, like the blocks on my mast step?

yes ill look into that antenna...down the road. the two lines you see leading to the deck are the jib halyard i am rerouting, and a spare line i tied to me and had hanging down to the deck in case i needed my crew to pass me up a tool or anything.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/15/2010 : 20:04:29

I'm impressed that you could climb the mast. I know it's not easy. Next time, for your safety please have one of your crew control the safety halyard as you climb and come back down. I guess it is cleated off as I don't see either one holding it.

There is a block on the side of your mast behind the shroud bracket. Looks like that was for your boom topping lift although you seem to be not using it.

If you intend to rig a spinnaker halyard, you will attach a swivel block to the forward masthead pin and leave the forestay where it is.

Edited by - dmpilc on 06/15/2010 20:09:04

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 04:08:14

Great photos!

If you only have two masthead halyards, and you're going aloft because one of them isn't working, then yes, you'll be hanging by one line. A stationary safety could be attached after reaching the masthead. A safety with a self-tightening slip noose of some sort could be slid along the mast, pausing at the spreaders to move it past them.

Having said all that, these are trailerable boats. It's no big deal to unstep the mast.

With the external style masthead, I've seen (wire) halyards derail and cross each other above the divider plate, sawing into it over time. (Not on my watch -- oblivious previous owner.)

Yes, spinnaker halyard outside of everything else. Use spacers to keep the strain centered on the masthead pin. With a roller headsail, might want to route spinnaker halyard through a wrap preventer fairlead similar to one shown.

By making the spinnaker halyard several feet over length, it could reach from a winch to a weak or injured crew member in the water.

-- Leon Sisson

Edited by - Leon Sisson on 06/16/2010 04:10:17

redeye
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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 04:24:09

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You look like a climber. If you hoisted me up you'd get a picture of the topmast, and me wrapped around the mast. Well anyway, stay clipped in...

Great pictures by the way, I especially like the fact that your buddies watching you are beerless, shows they care...

I'd just as well hoist up an anchor light, which is what I do now. The LEDs work so well. I just saw one from Target of all places. I put a new anchor light and pole on mine about 2 years ago, and when a storm came by it got whacked up against the next mast in my marina and busted the fixture (or we have some wicked birds). I'm keeping an eye out for another fixture now. I'd kinda prefer to have the LED halyard anchor light as a backup.

I'd say everything looks good up there. Thanks for the post. Always interesting to see how different boats are rigged.

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 04:45:41

Great pics - When I go up, Its no-one on the deck. One guy on the dock to prevent anyone from stepping on the boat. We use an ascender on a tied off halyard - or a pair of prussiks, and the second halyard is clipped to me as a safety line, run around a winch, and tensioned by my safety man on the dock. It takes very little movement on the deck to get that mast swinging, especially with so much weight aloft.

Just a thought.

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Tom Gauntt
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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 05:10:04

Limey,

Great pictures! It looks as if you have been properly scolded on mast climbing safety, but there are a lot of ways this could have turned out badly... The velocity of a 170 pound humanoid accelerating from an altitude of 28 feet at 32 feet per second/per second isn't nearly as impressive as the DEceleration of said body against a 6,500 pound irregularly shaped, glass reinforced plastic object.

As I have said many times, I'm not afraid of heights, What I fear is a triple-bad case of "deceleration trauma"! Be careful.

That said, when/if you you want to drop your mast for maintenance and upgrades, it really is quite simple... It is immeasurably easier to work on the mast with it on saw horses or in a mast crutch. To lower the mast, a little leverage is all you need... Although the three of you could probably man-handle it, a simple A-frame allows you to raise and lower the mast safely and, my
favorite words, easily. I have an A-frame that you are welcome to use at anytime. I'm over on the other side of the bay at least
once week (i live on Kent Island) and am up toward BWI Airport usually every Friday. Let me know if you ever want to use it.

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 06:06:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Great pictures! It looks as if you have been properly scolded on mast climbing safety, but there are a lot of ways this could have turned out badly... The velocity of a 170 pound humanoid accelerating from an altitude of 28 feet at 32 feet per second/per second isn't nearly as impressive as the DEceleration of said body against a 6,500 pound irregularly shaped, glass reinforced plastic object. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hahahahahahahaha, I love it!! nicely put Tom .........

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limey156
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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 07:24:30

dmpilc, i had my dad on the main halyard, which i had through the rope clutch, around the winch twice, and then through a cam cleat. he took in the slack as i climbed and then left it on the winch and slowly let out the line as i climbed down. i felt very secure, and we had a solid plan.

im not sure about the block on the side of the mast, i have a topping lift tied off at the aft of the masthead there, and then through a cheek block on the end of the boom and to a cleat. there is a v cleat at the bottom of the mast which appears to correspond to that cheek block....

Leon, thanks for the tips on the spin block, ill keep them in mind. as to the wrap preventer, would that go on the line that is running to the mast step or the line that runs to the head of the sail? it seems like it would be a severe angle if it was run similarly to the jib halyard as the pin on the masthead is farther from the mast.

Tom, thanks for the offer regarding the A frame, i will keep it in mind and surely one day take advantage! i have a pickup so can easily fetch it. (i am assuming it is not monstrous.) we should meet up on the bay sometime so i can scope out another C-25 in person.

to all, thanks for taking safety seriously and promoting it here. I just left the USAF a year ago where i flew C-5's into Iraq/Afghanistan and we took risk mitigation very seriously, and i apply those concepts to all sorts of activities now. now i have 2 functioning halyards to use, next time up i will install a third, for the spin, and will then have 3. that way i will always have 2 to use if one fails. Sailing is so much safer than flying, but uses very similar navigation and other knowledge. I am pretty excited about learning and making the transition from an airman to a sailor!

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 08:25:54

Our office 8 floor up faces Dobbins AFB on the north side so we see C130s coming and going all the time. It is a trip. They Crawl through the sky. It is such a view.

Usta see them on the field driving through the base at Ft Benning ..

I'll keep an eye out for a C5.

Yepper.. I like the glide angle on a sailboat when you have a failure. . . Welcome back man... Sailing Rocks!

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 09:16:06

Great pics!!! and oh how I wish I had balance and was not afraid of heights!!!!

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 10:24:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">They Crawl through the sky. It is such a view.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Not to hijack, but we used to go watch when the KC-10 Extenders flew out of Lajes field in the Azores. The runway was kinda short, and ended about 30' above the ocean on one end, and into Praia, a town on the other end. They'd have to launch early in the morning when the air was cool & dense, and if you were standing on the road at the Praia end of the field, it felt like you could run your hand down their bellies as they struggled aloft. If they were launching in the other direction, you'd swear they were dropping down toward the ocean as they cleared the end of the field. Very cool to watch.

Thanks for your service, we appreciate it.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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limey156
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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 10:55:05

It is... a little sporty flying a C-5 into Lajes, that is for sure!

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 12:54:50

Limey,

Were you out of Dover? We probably have some mutual friends... Several guys I fly with at work did/do fly with the Reserves out of Dover. Small world, ain't it? I flew C130s in a previous life and now fly the Guppy for Southwest out of BWI. As mentioned earlier, thank you for taking the oath and serving our country.

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limey156
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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 13:03:50

Right on the money, Tom. spent 6 years at Dover, flying ~monthly from there to the war and spending most of my time in europe between the two, enjoying the beer and womenfolk! I almost joined the reserves, in fact i was scheduled to, but i decided to make a clean break and go full time civilian. maybe i should have stayed in cause now i live in columbia but work in VA! commute sucks.

Edited by - limey156 on 06/16/2010 13:05:14

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Response Posted - 06/16/2010 : 14:24:30

Another tangential.....You may have heard this this song- but the link is that it was written and sung by my brother John Flynn, and it made it to No. 1 on The River 92.9; Song Titled "Dover". It apparently was popular with many on base(?)...

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-6333

Thank you for your commitment and service....

BTW he has some enjoyable Sailing Reference songs (if I do say so myself)

But...... specific to this topic and to this post is a song called "Trust the Rope" Rock Climber references in tact....
http://www.myspace.com/johnflynnfolksinger

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by limey156
 Right on the money, Tom. spent 6 years at Dover, flying ~monthly from there to the war and spending most of my time in europe between the two...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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