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dblitz
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Initially Posted - 02/24/2011 : 18:36:08

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Catalina-25-Cruiser-Stk-202535-NO-RESERVE-/140515881935?pt=Sailboats&hash=item20b76633cf

Ladies and Gentlemen, here's what looks like a beauty that will probably go for a song. Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the seller nor the donor. I do have an I/B 1986. Just looks like somebody may get a great deal.How much is the diesel alone worth? Yeah, there's trouble servicing the engine and trans. Don't even ask about doing the packing on the shaft. Anyway maybe soon we'll have a new association member asking lots of questions. Wow, the listing says 369 hrs on the engine.

Daniel 86 "Solar Wind" #5339 C-25 FK/SR I/B Diesel

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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 19:55:42

Overall not a bad looking boat. I did noticed the rudder is split along the seam above the water line and it looks like there might have been a little water leakage around the port chain plate.

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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 21:07:33

For an inboard model she looks real nice. The rudder looks split -- could be OK -- but regardless would opt for a balanced rudder. On e curious thing is that their is no center forward deck cleat. While many have replaced the chocks with cleats typically the center cleat is still their. Hope this does not mean structural issues/damage to the deck. Regardless though, a very attractive Ebay offering.

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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 21:59:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 ...One curious thing is that their is no center forward deck cleat. While many have replaced the chocks with cleats typically the center cleat is still their...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I've only seen two bow cleats as pictured there--I assume that's the factory configuration. I'd also assume any "center forward" cleat and chocks are aftermarket additions.

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two port feet
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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 23:43:29

Boy to me that's a look sweet ship. If my wife caught me looking for another boat it would not be good. I wounder if it's a tall or standard rig. See can't help myself.

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Response Posted - 02/25/2011 : 06:29:34

Notice the opening on the mast at the step. Looks like they lowered the mast forward, or is that standard on 86 boats? Also, looks like pressurized water was added. Notice the galley sink faucet and the shower pump switch. Except for the main cabin cushions and possible water leaks on the chain plate at the bulkhead, she looks sweet.

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Response Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:12:49

Dave:
On my 1980 vintage -- and all the older versions I have seen -- where that flat spot on the forward deck is located is where a large cleat typically is located and at the bow there are chocks. I have seen folks (and I have considered)replacing the chocks with cleats as this boat has however I was of the belief that the standard factory configuration was to have the traditional center forward cleat with port/starboard chocks at the bow. Could be that when purchsed new their were options or a past owner made a change. Regardless, a nice looking Ebay offering.

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Response Posted - 02/25/2011 : 09:52:22

My boat, a 1980 (S/N 2151), has the stock port/starboard bow cleats. No central cleat. From the Parts manual...

Edited by - dlucier on 02/25/2011 10:08:51

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Response Posted - 02/25/2011 : 13:35:48

There are at 4 or 5 pre-1980 cat 25s on my dock (and 2 or 3 post 1980). All have dual cleats on bow, none have midline. I just added a u-bolt midline for jacklines and to provide a more fair lead to the anchor roller but I've never seen anything installed there stock on a Cat. Doesn't mean it isn't the norm though...

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Response Posted - 02/25/2011 : 20:23:50

Interesting -- and while not all that important, worth my contacting Catalina for the trivial pursuit angle. My boat this winter is one of six C-25's all lined up together on the hard in CT. At least the boat right next to mine has the same configuration as my boat. I wonder if their was a factory option or not. I can not imagine mooring safely without the center forward deck cleat led through bow chocks albeit docking would be easier with the bow cleats.

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Response Posted - 02/25/2011 : 22:23:38

?What's a Tabernacle Hinged Mast?

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Response Posted - 03/01/2011 : 21:42:37

"Anyway maybe soon we'll have a new association member asking lots of questions."

I would be the soon to be asking lots of questions new member. Hello everyone! Just bought this boat today sight unseen, but figure at this price I can handle a few surprises. Picking her up Saturday and current owner offered to go over the boat with me, fire up the engine... I'm real curious as to sails and condition. One bag you can see is marked North which could be a good thing.

The mast has a tabernackle setup so you can drop partially forward to get under bridges while underway. Never used that setup before but apparently less stressful than lowering over your head!

What's the scoop on the balanced rudders? Are they legal for racing PHRF, fiberglass or solid plastic preferred?

Jerry

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 06:26:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by two port feet
 ?What's a Tabernacle Hinged Mast?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The deck-mounted "hinge" we all have.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 06:42:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 ...My boat this winter is one of six C-25's all lined up together on the hard in CT. At least the boat right next to mine has the same configuration as my boat. I wonder if their was a factory option or not.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Could be... Never seen it, and there have been at least five C-25s in the Darien Boat Club. So your cleat is aft of the anchor locker?

There are perhaps a couple of advantages to the dual cleats on the rail: (1) no chocks needed--chocks can chafe anchor/mooring lines; and (2) a dual mooring pennant can attach to separate cleats. (And maybe it eliminates a tripping hazard.) A disadvantage is with an anchor roller, you need to pull the rode back from the front of the roller to cleat it.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 07:04:42

Welcome to the forum Jerry

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 07:23:32

Thanks Islander.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 08:05:40

I've never seen a center cleat 25. There are 5 other C-25s on my dock so I'll have check it out as three of them are 1980 and older.

I ordered my boat in '79 and I don't recall being offered a center cleat and chocks. But that was long ago in a galaxy far far away.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 08:09:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lightnsail@aol.com
 What's the scoop on the balanced rudders? Are they legal for racing PHRF, fiberglass or solid plastic preferred?
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The short answer is that the balanced rudders are nice, and they're race legal, but, I have raced a lot with both types, and don't believe either is demonstrably faster or more efficient. The older, unbalanced rudder can generate heavy weather helm, but you can reduce the weather helm by good rig tuning. Nevertheless, the balanced rudder is an improvement.

Although we haven't discussed the rudder types for awhile, you should be able to find lengthy discussions by searching our archives.

Welcome to the forum!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 08:45:33

Welcome to the fleet, Jerry! You'll find a wealth of information here, and being a member of the Association will be some of the best money, $22/yr, you'll ever spend on the boat. Also, if it doesn't come with the boat, go online and purchase the C-25 parts book from Catalina Direct. It's not expensive.
http://catalinadirect.com/

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 10:39:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> You'll find a wealth of information here, and being a member of the Association will be some of the best money, $22/yr, you'll ever spend on the boat <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Welcome Jerry, Yep, the knowledge and C-25 experience here is unparalleled and have helped me deal with many unknowns. What a sweet deal you got on what looks to be a great boat. Hope you enjoy and post lots of pics and experiences.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 12:35:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by two port feet
 ?What's a Tabernacle Hinged Mast?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The deck-mounted "hinge" we all have.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

With quick releases on his lower aft shrouds, elevated turnbuckles on the upper shrouds, and a carved out section at the bottom front of his mast, I'd say his boat's rigged for frequent mast dropping.

Welcome to the fleet, Jerry!

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 13:22:59

Jerry,
I see the boat is in Oxnard and you're in San Diego. Where do you intend to slip her? With a full keel I would expect you to sail her down the coast if you intend to bring her to San Diego. Several members (past & present) have a lot of local knowledge about San Diego so don't hesitate to ask. Welcome to the forum.

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:09:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 Jerry,
I see the boat is in Oxnard and you're in San Diego. Where do you intend to slip her? With a full keel I would expect you to sail her down the coast if you intend to bring her to San Diego. Several members (past & present) have a lot of local knowledge about San Diego so don't hesitate to ask. Welcome to the forum.
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Congrats on the boat. There are four of us on L-Dock at Marina Village (Mission Bay). We regularly cruise as an "armada". Let us know when you're here and we'll put you on the list!

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 19:07:25

Thanks for the warm greeting! Immediate plans are to take Amtrak up to Oxnard Saturday, see the boat, transfer the slip or move the boat, etc... Torn between sailing down which probably takes 3 days (input from those in the know greatly appeciated on that topic!) and having it transported down which will probably be $1000 when all is said and done.

Long-term I'll keep the boat at Mission Bay Yacht Club when there is room, which could take a while! I was looking at Driscoll and will definately check out Marina Village and see if there's room on L-Dock.

I've visited this site often in recent weeks, and as a past owner of a C-22, Capri 22, and a C-27 I believe in supporting the class. I'm in for the $22 as soon as find my way to where you handle that.

Thanks for pointing out a potential split in the rudder. I'll have to check that out right away, and if damage is extensive go with a balanced rudder. I saw one sight at some point that I think offered a fiberglass or a composite version. Is there a maker or preference in material?

Cheers,
Jerry

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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 19:22:48

There are at least 5 open slips on the leeward side of L-Dock. I'm at L13, ironically next to a boat named "Jerry Rig." Jim B's old boat (Indiscipline, well known on this forum) is four or five slips down. The nice thing about L Dock, aside from all the other cat25s, is no one bothers you when you need to do work on your boat etc. Plus it's the furthest from the Marina Village meeting rooms etc so it's quiet with nearly unlimited parking. The only bummer is there are a few gypsy boats around if you know what I mean. Driscoll is slightly less expensive (Marina Village was second) but they have old wooden docks (vs concrete), their bathrooms and showers are horrible, the yard can be noisy, there are multiple commercial operations operating (para sailing and kayak rentals) and there are a lot of 'interesting' people living aboard under the radar... L-Dock is literally the next dock over, a few more bucks a month, but an entirely different universe. Of course, MBYC takes the cake...

BTW- two of us at L dock have the done rudder repair with no problems. We just ground out material along the split, let the core dry, then filled with thickened epoxy, sanded, and painted. Repairs still holding fine after three months.

Ryan

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lightnsail@aol.com
 Thanks for the warm greeting! Immediate plans are to take Amtrak up to Oxnard Saturday, see the boat, transfer the slip or move the boat, etc... Torn between sailing down which probably takes 3 days (input from those in the know greatly appeciated on that topic!) and having it transported down which will probably be $1000 when all is said and done.

Long-term I'll keep the boat at Mission Bay Yacht Club when there is room, which could take a while! I was looking at Driscoll and will definately check out Marina Village and see if there's room on L-Dock.

I've visited this site often in recent weeks, and as a past owner of a C-22, Capri 22, and a C-27 I believe in supporting the class. I'm in for the $22 as soon as find my way to where you handle that.

Thanks for pointing out a potential split in the rudder. I'll have to check that out right away, and if damage is extensive go with a balanced rudder. I saw one sight at some point that I think offered a fiberglass or a composite version. Is there a maker or preference in material?

Cheers,
Jerry
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Response Posted - 03/02/2011 : 19:31:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lightnsail@aol.com
 ...I saw one sight at some point that I think offered a fiberglass or a composite version. Is there a maker or preference in material?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You can use the Search function above to look for "balanced rudder" in the C-25 forum--you'll see many threads. David P mentioned [url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?category=7"]Catalina Direct[/url] (CD)--a third-party supplier of many parts and upgrades. Their "C-25 Owner's Handbook" is a ring binder with their catalog plus many suggestions--well worth the $10. (Annual updates are free.) They really know our boats, and can help over the phone. They have both types of balanced rudders.

I was concerned by the split in the original (unbalanced) rudder when I bought my '85... I bought the foam-cored fiberglass balanced rudder from CD--the original equipment from about 1988 on--and loved it. The solid HDPE from Idasailor (now Rudder Craft) wasn't available then. There have been reports of the HDPE blade snapping off in big chop--if it had been available when I was buying, I think I'd still have chosen the fiberglass version. (Swing and wing keel owners who want a kick-up rudder have only the HDPE.)

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