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albert
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Initially Posted - 12/01/2002 : 04:48:12

I just read Bernard Moitessier's "Sailing to the Reefs". In it he makes a dinghy which he can assemble/disassemble in minutes whose bottom is some type of cloth.

Is this something feasible for C25/250's? It sounds pretty good to me.

Has anyone seen one of these? Where could we get plans?

Albert Iturrey
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John G-
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Response Posted - 12/01/2002 : 11:32:24

Albert
I have been looking for an alternative to a standard inflatable. I have not come across a soft folding boat with a “cloth” bottom unless it's a Klepper folding kayak, the cover over a ridgid frame could be considered "cloth". I am looking into inflatable kayaks.
I have seen a C25 with a “FoldBote” but it can only be stored by being lashed to the safety rails.
What are other C25/C250 owners using? 

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 John G- "PEREGRINE" C25-#4762 FK 

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/01/2002 : 12:48:25

Albert/John,

Have either of you gents considered the wind surfer? The model I have is a sailing surf board adaptable to a kayak existence by the addition of a strap on seat and paddles added to the mast.

It measures approx. 4'X8' when inflated and though I've never used it as a sailboat the kids love to use it as a dive platform or place to put clams they've raked up. It tows easily and occasionally I'll stow it inboard of the shrouds and between there and the boom.

It stows in a nylon bag with shoulder straps that the ads would have you believe a 100 lb. girl can tote. NOT SO, unless she's a world class weight lifter.

Val on "CALISTA" # #(#^

Val Bisagni

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albert
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Response Posted - 12/01/2002 : 23:58:59

I found a folding boat at http:\www.portabote.com . The 10' model folds to 10' x 2' x 4 inches. It would have to be stored lashed to the rail.

Anyone have experience with these?

Albert Iturrey
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 12/02/2002 : 01:24:13

Saw a folding dinghy just last week while searching the internet for a nesting dinghy. Wish I could find it again.

Doug&Ruth
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 12/02/2002 : 15:50:44

I don't know about a folding cloth dinghy, but I found plans for a nesting dinghy called a Two-Paw 8 (a variation of their Catspaw) at this website -
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cpaw.htm.

Built one a year and a half ago. Nested it fits on the foredeck with just enough room to squeeze by and deal with anchoring. It tows well, rows well, and carries 2-3 people.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 02:08:52

Albert, I have a Klepper kayak as mentioned above. Klepper also made a small sailboat that could be rowed as well. We love our boat, it is very stable and will hold a LOT of weight. My kids are now 5 and 7 and until a year ago the four of us would venture out on trips on the ocean. The last trip though we pierced through some waves instead of riding over them as in the past. My daughter took them both in the face and was not happy about it! The kayak can be rigged for sailing. That said I would love to take it with me on a trip to Catalina but not as my dingy. It is 17' long and to set it up you need a space that long and reasonably flat. It takes me about 20 minutes to set up alone. When my wife helps it does go pretty fast say 10 minutes. Take down is faster but on the deck of a rolling boat it would be a challenge not to lose parts overboard. The rolled up skin might be a tight fit to get into the lazerette as well. Also they cost a lot of money. Used ones go for $2,000, new $5,000. (Ours is a family heirloom with 1950's bones and a 1990's skin) The dingy's are rare and cost even more. (How do you spell that word anyway?)

Go to this site to see more and puruse their classifieds for used boats:
http://www.klepperservicecenter.com/

Todd Hansen
San Luis Obispo, CA

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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 02:11:34

Sorry, Albert had it right at the top of the page, Dinghy. That is about as hard to spell at Yacht. Took me years to get master that one and I still have to think about it.

Todd Hansen
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albert
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 04:38:11

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I don't know about a folding cloth dinghy, but I found plans for a nesting dinghy called a Two-Paw 8 (a variation of their Catspaw) at this website -
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cpaw.htm.

Built one a year and a half ago. Nested it fits on the foredeck with just enough room to squeeze by and deal with anchoring. It tows well, rows well, and carries 2-3 people.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290
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Looks like a viable option.

How much were the raw materials and hardware?

How exactly does it fit on your foredeck? Does it cover the forward hatch?

How hard is it to launch and store from the foredeck? Do you assemble/disassemble on the foredeck and then launch?

Plans estimate it at 65 to 75 lbs--how do you lift it back on deck?

Would the Two Paw 9 fit?

Albert Iturrey
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albert
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 04:43:34

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I don't know about a folding cloth dinghy, but I found plans for a nesting dinghy called a Two-Paw 8 (a variation of their Catspaw) at this website -
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cpaw.htm.

Built one a year and a half ago. Nested it fits on the foredeck with just enough room to squeeze by and deal with anchoring. It tows well, rows well, and carries 2-3 people.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290
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Do you have any pictures of the Two_Paw 8 on your foredeck?

How about pics of the construction?

Albert Iturrey
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Abacus': http://www.comhertz.com/abacus

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 07:19:29

Todd, i was at histle Nationals a number of years ago and the "gift" was a t-shirt with the name of the yacht club on it. The guys that imprinted the t-shirts spelled it "YAHCT" and most folks, self included didn't even realize the error until well into the championship!

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 13:35:04

On the Lewis and Clark Expedition in the early 1800's, Meriwether Lewis had sort of the same idea -- he designed and brought along a portable, 36-foot, ninety pound, strap-iron framework for a boat that theoretically could be covered with over 30 animal hides and sealed with pine pitch. Unfortunately, they didn't have the right needles to stitch the hides together and there were no pine trees in the vicinity above the portage at Great Falls, MT. Also, the improvised caulking of beezwax, pounded charcoal and buffalo tallow didn't work. The boat sank repeatedly. Lewis's "experiment" was a failure, and another five days were spent hewing two cottonwood dugouts to replace it.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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albert
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 13:45:30

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Albert/John,

Have either of you gents considered the wind surfer? The model I have is a sailing surf board adaptable to a kayak existence by the addition of a strap on seat and paddles added to the mast.

It measures approx. 4'X8' when inflated and though I've never used it as a sailboat the kids love to use it as a dive platform or place to put clams they've raked up. It tows easily and occasionally I'll stow it inboard of the shrouds and between there and the boom.

It stows in a nylon bag with shoulder straps that the ads would have you believe a 100 lb. girl can tote. NOT SO, unless she's a world class weight lifter.

Val on "CALISTA" # #(#^

Val Bisagni
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Staying dry is important. I'm afraid for my application a sailboard wouldn't work. Thanks.

Albert Iturrey
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albert
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Response Posted - 12/03/2002 : 13:47:56

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Albert, I have a Klepper kayak as mentioned above. Klepper also made a small sailboat that could be rowed as well...

Todd Hansen
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Wow! You weren't kidding that they are expensive. I think they're pretty neat. I'd like to see the "small sailboat", but I guess they're discontinued.

Albert Iturrey
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