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KellyHansonSails
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Initially Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:51:36

In anticipation of the launch of an entirely new line of sails for Catalina sailboats, Kelly-Hanson Sails is offering a once in a lifetime sale on its existing inventory.

Our new line will be radically different in terms of design and features that it will require a complete overhaul of our existing website. The site is currently under construction and the new line will be available for purchase in approximately three weeks.

In order to eliminate any confusion between our popular existing line and the new one, we felt it best to blow out our remaining in-stock inventory.

Ready for a true bargain? The following is a list of available sails, quantity available and prices. Please note, once they are gone, they are gone for good.

You can reach us at 303.459.2755 Monday through Friday. All sails feature our three year warranty and satisfaction guaranty.

Catalina 25 Standard Rig 110 Lapper with Hanks
Price: $415.00
Quantity: 3

Catalina 25 Standard Rig 110 Furling Lapper with White UV Cover
Price: $485.00
Quantity: 1

Catalina 25 Standard Rig 135 Genoa with Hanks
Price: $485.00
Quantity: 2

Catalina 25 Standard Rig 135 Furling Genoa with White UV Cover
Price: $585.00
Quantity: 3

Catalina 25 Standard Rig 150 Genoa with Hanks
Price: $545.00
Quantity: 5

Catalina 25 Standard Rig 150 Furling Genoa with Black Sunbrella UV Cover
Price: $650.00
Quantity: 1

Catalina 25 Tall Rig 135 Furling Genoa with White UV Cover
Price: $625.00
Quantity: 3

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 14:06:33

this about that.
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18827

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 14:21:32

The association might want to consider whether we want to permit commercial advertisers to become members and post free ads on our website. If they want to pay the Association for an ad on our website, that's OK, but doing it this way, on the cheap, is cheesy.

I would urge that they be removed from membership, as we normally do with other peddlers.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/22/2011 14:24:27

John Russell
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 14:32:38

What Steve said.

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KellyHansonSails
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 15:09:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 The association might want to consider whether we want to permit commercial advertisers to become members and post free ads on our website. If they want to pay the Association for an ad on our website, that's OK, but doing it this way, on the cheap, is cheesy.

I would urge that they be removed from membership, as we normally do with other peddlers.
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Our apologies if any rules were broken. We simply assumed a good portion of the membership would be interested in this announcement.

It is kind of disappointing though. We sponsor a lot of Catalina events throughout the year, especially with the 22's. To be labeled as a peddler with a cheesy product and advertising makes us wonder why we would be contacted in the first place.

One of our employees has a Catalina 25 and it was his recommendation to offer the sails to the Association membership first.

To err is human.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 15:14:27

I don't think he meant a cheesy product, just cheesy way of advertising it here for free. Typically forums like to charge for these ads.

But how about going against the "standard forum practice"?
How about creating an "Ad" forum in the market place that gets purged after 30 days? You could ask for "donations" from them, or not.
Personally, I think if the forum doesn't need the money, then don't bother charging them. That way you'll draw in more sponsors that cater specifically to us. Free ads for them here possibly means better C25 business for them and maybe they'll create more products for us in the future because of our "generosity".

Just an idea.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 03/22/2011 15:18:37

Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 15:15:01

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 16:06:31

It has been the policy of the forum to purge commercial advertising. I'm certain Steve, and I know I, never meant anything disparaging about you or your product. Simply, it is not in keeping with the way this forum has operated over the years.

If a member makes a recommendation about a product or sale and posts it, it's a completely different issue. That has been done often.

BTW, they truly look like great deals. I almost wish I hadn't bought a new headsail just 2 years ago.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 17:53:11

I'm w/ Steve...and suggest the heading of the posting is deliberately misleading - I was expecting to read a "news release" it was in fact an advertisement - not just a cheap ploy, but misleading too... definitely says something about trust to me...

Edited by - jerlim on 03/22/2011 17:55:18

Prospector
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 17:59:20

Being that I am a sucker - what material are these sails? What weight? I could use a better 155, but I'm guessing these wouldn't outperform my 155% Tapedrive.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 18:24:39

Our policy on this is not clear, except a statement that this should have been in the Swap Meet (a minor distinction). Until the policy on vendors is clear, lighten up. They have a deal specific to our boats, and told us about it. When you see a "News Release" from a sail maker, you're thinking it might be about the no-fly zone in Libya?

On the other hand, if you follow Dave R's link to Steve Milby's link, it leads to an issue with the Colorado BBB... I'd do my due diligence. Of course, how many sails does anyone sell in Colorado? Hot air balloons might outsell them. So that might be one sour-grapes situation... (Note: I love the place! My daughter, son-in-law, and brand new grandson live there! But they have been unsuccessful at getting me to move away from the coast.

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Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/22/2011 18:31:03

Peregrine
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 19:03:42

To the good people at Kelly Hanson and to our members.
As you can see the members of the association and users of the forum are very protective of the use of this forum.
It has become the center piece of our community.
At any sign of spam and inappropriate use members rise up and the offenders are purged.
The post by Kelly Hanson is on the border. It does benefit our members to have access to discounts on C-25/C-250 and Capri equipment. However it is/was a direct unsolicited sales pitch. That is frowned upon.
In the future please contact the officers and we will be glad to find an appropriate way to get the word out to our members that you are offering good products at good prices.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 03/22/2011 : 20:22:35

Well handled John, now I still NEED to know, are these sails decksweeping, lightweight, laminate stuff or are they cruising sails.

I think I already know, but I can hope...

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 03:34:29

Perhaps the Association is missing a fund raising opportunity if we box these advertiser requests properly. Why not add below the Swap meet or above the General Sailing Forum, a new forum for advertisers. It would not conflict with the advertising links we have elsewhere in that this new forum would be a place where advertisers could post current offerings versus just a link to their website. First of all, it would provide a place on the Forum to segregate these requests so if our members wnat to view these advertisements, they can. if they do not care to view the advertisements, well at least they know which foorum to then not open and all is good. The way it could possibly work is if the new forum would allow postings to be listed only if the advertiser forwards a quarterly advertising fee ($10-$20). Then his postings would be allowed to be listed. Not sure how this could actually be managed or it may be too time consuming to manage but it would allow advertisers to post for a period of time as long as they pay an advertising fee. if they do not want to participate - That's fine, then ther eis less to read and easier to maintain the new forum. On the other hand, it provides a service to advertisers and to our members. There may be times when an advertiser wants to announce some limited closeouts/discounts and that's a beneift for all...just that it won't clutter up our specific forums which are for other purposes.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 06:28:30

Since our officers (by default, the managers of this forum) are all volunteers, I think it is asking too much for them to manage advertising. They freely give of their time and I'm grateful. To ask them to monitor and judge the propriety of an ad for this association is not what they signed up for. This is particularly true since the association is not lacking for funds.

I think this could become a slippery slope to the point that the forum would suffer in the long term. As Barney Fife would say, "We need to nip it in the bud. Nip it. Nip it. Nip it."

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 06:38:58

Personally, I really DO want to know when stuff like this comes up. Granted, this section is not the best place for it, but I'd love to see what C25 items are out there without having to sift through countless "1 size fits all" items in stores. If there's a C25 specific item available, I'd love to know about it.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 03/23/2011 06:39:26

Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 06:39:21

I'm sure a headsail donation to the overall winner of the nationals would "smooth things over" as they say

:)

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 06:41:25

Edited by - NautiC25 on 03/23/2011 06:43:58

Prospector
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 06:57:06

Being that we chased him off with our sharpened pitchforks and caber-tossing, I tried emailing, but he never put any contact info on his profile. Grrrr.

Trying the website...

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KellyHansonSails
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 07:06:59

Again, our apologies for the post. It wasn't our intent in any way to stir up a hornet's nest.

We have enjoyed a long-term relationship with the MacGregor Sailors board for years. In fact, we developed an entire line of sails for their X and M models based on member input. Although the group (a very large one) has asked for nothing in return, we have contributed a fair amount of money on yearly basis to offset their boards operating expense. Additionally, we established and funded the first ever national MacGregor regatta at the Havasu Cruisers Convention last month. Finally, the membership knows that they are being guaranteed the best price for a new sail (Stock or custom) as a result of the informal relationship.

We have no problem with providing a new sail for the winner of the nationals as well as any other form of possible sponsorship. We have done that for a large Catalina 22 event for the past two years. Additionally, the winning MacGregor boat at Havasu this year received a new mainsail.

We would love the opportunity to work with this membership to design and develop a line of cruising and racing sails based on owners needs. You sail the boat, therefore you know it better than anyone.

I hope this post is not taken as some sort of advertising gimmick or ploy. We are simply trying to determine if there is a way a small company can provide a quality product at a reasonable price to the membership. Everyone wins with this kind of synergy.

We will not post any further comments on this board regarding this subject. If there are any questions or interest, please feel free to contact us at customerservice@kellyhansonsails.com.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 08:38:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Since our officers (by default, the managers of this forum) are all volunteers, I think it is asking too much for them to manage advertising. They freely give of their time and I'm grateful. To ask them to monitor and judge the propriety of an ad for this association is not what they signed up for. This is particularly true since the association is not lacking for funds.

I think this could become a slippery slope to the point that the forum would suffer in the long term. As Barney Fife would say, "We need to nip it in the bud. Nip it. Nip it. Nip it."
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I agree with John, but if someone wants to take on the task, I have no problem with it, with certain reservations. Someone needs to separate the sailmakers from the drug dealers that "join" our association from time-to-time. I do have a big concern that every purveyor of marine stuff might want to post free ads on our website, making our website begin to look as commercialized as the pages of Sail magazine, but maybe the moderator can figure out a fair and practical way to prevent that. If commercialization of our website can't be avoided, then I would be opposed to the idea.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:02:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We would love the opportunity to work with this membership to design and develop a line of cruising and racing sails based on owners needs. You sail the boat, therefore you know it better than anyone.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Sounds like an extended hand to me....

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:08:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We would love the opportunity to work with this membership to design and develop a line of cruising and racing sails based on owners needs. You sail the boat, therefore you know it better than anyone.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Sounds like an extended hand to me....
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That's exactly what I mean in this being a good thing by inviting them here. Having access to this many C25 owners allows them to design or improve products specifically for us and see that there's a demand. Or we can offer them ideas for the things we wish we had.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 03/23/2011 09:20:59

NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:11:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Since our officers (by default, the managers of this forum) are all volunteers, I think it is asking too much for them to manage advertising. They freely give of their time and I'm grateful. To ask them to monitor and judge the propriety of an ad for this association is not what they signed up for. This is particularly true since the association is not lacking for funds.

I think this could become a slippery slope to the point that the forum would suffer in the long term. As Barney Fife would say, "We need to nip it in the bud. Nip it. Nip it. Nip it."
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I agree with John, but if someone wants to take on the task, I have no problem with it, with certain reservations. Someone needs to separate the sailmakers from the drug dealers that "join" our association from time-to-time. I do have a big concern that every purveyor of marine stuff might want to post free ads on our website, making our website begin to look as commercialized as the pages of Sail magazine, but maybe the moderator can figure out a fair and practical way to prevent that. If commercialization of our website can't be avoided, then I would be opposed to the idea.
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Again, I'm willing to help out.

As for the ads getting out of hand, how about creating a "post template" that they all have to follow in order for it to be displayed? And of course rules that only allow sailing products.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:39:30

If you create a separate forum for commercial ads and "announcements" (distinct from the Swap Meet), I don't see how it clutters up anything. Somebody just needs to check it periodically for spammers--although they'll continue to post wherever they want. Members could even put things of interest into the Commercial forum that they find elsewhere.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 03/23/2011 09:42:03

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:05:00

Personally, I appreciated this post, although it should have been placed in the Swap Meet section. I wish I was in a position to buy one of the 110's, just don't think I can get the admiral to agree to it. I could benefit from a new working jib; even though I have the Tall Rig, I bet it would work just fine. Prospector, I expect that the sails K-H listed above are all dacron sails.
How does our relationship with Online Outboards work? Don't they have a link on our forum that enables us to get a discount when we do business with them? We could do the same with K-H. Our sailing club offers links on our web site, or at least used to, to vendors that produces a commission to the club whenever someone uses the link to place an order with that vendor. The one that comes to mind is Amazon.

Edited by - dmpilc on 03/23/2011 10:20:25

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