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redviking
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Initially Posted - 04/01/2011 : 06:21:09

OK, I bit the bullet... I did this once when I was a kid, just let it lapse. So I am reapplying for a 6PAC also known as a OUPV and I intend to follow that with the 100 ton which is just 3 more days.

Got the TWIC card underway, drug testing and physical will be close to the actual test in June. CPR and first aid upgrade scheduled. Sorting out logbooks to account for time. OUPV requires 360 days of boating experience with 90 days of that offshore - beyond the shoreline... And 90 days of seatime within th elast three years.

The 100 ton wants 720 days total, 90 in three years, and 360 offshore total... Whew!!!

Going thru Chappy's to see what I missed the last time... Any other good advice - not that there is ever bad advice here!!!

sten

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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 07:26:49

I have everything done (except filling out the sea time sheets), including passing the test "with flying colors", and hope to be going up to Boston next week to turn it all in--just for the Sixpack (OUPV). This is primarily so I can drive this for-hire launch, Resolute, for the Mystic Seaport--six passengers max. I'll be taking "driving lessons" soon.

(That's a friend of mine in standing in the picture, giving a tour.)

The 90 days offshore (outside a designated boundary) is only required for the Near Coastal endorsement, which allows you to take paid passengers outside of the line up to 100 miles offshore. I don't have that time, and don't need the endorsement for my purposes. I'll just have the "Inland OUPV" license, which lets me have passengers inside the USCG boundary line, which around here is from the south tip of Block Island to a bouy off Montauk. I won't be driving Resolute out there! (Sarge, maybe... but not for hire.)

Advice? Stay away from anything with poppy seeds for a couple of days before your drug test. That's all I've got...

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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 07:48:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 I have everything done (except filling out the sea time sheets), including passing the test "with flying colors", and hope to be going up to Boston next week to turn it all in--just for the Sixpack (OUPV). This is primarily so I can drive this for-hire launch, Resolute, for the Mystic Seaport--six passengers max. I'll be taking "driving lessons" soon.

EDIT: ...and make sure the drug test is done by somebody who knows the DOT Chain of Custody requirements and is familiar with their form. Not everyone does, and the Coasties won't accept anything else.
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Thanks Dave! The school is doing the CPR/Drug/Physical stuff - so no worries... Do you still get a passport looking document or is it just just a certificate?

sten

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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 07:55:10

I don't know--hope to know soon.

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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 10:44:25

You probably already know this but you need a higher score on the "rules of the road" section than the rest. Take care to make sure you know if the question is asking about inland or international, a common mistake. Good luck!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 OK, I bit the bullet... I did this once when I was a kid, just let it lapse. So I am reapplying for a 6PAC also known as a OUPV and I intend to follow that with the 100 ton which is just 3 more days.

Got the TWIC card underway, drug testing and physical will be close to the actual test in June. CPR and first aid upgrade scheduled. Sorting out logbooks to account for time. OUPV requires 360 days of boating experience with 90 days of that offshore - beyond the shoreline... And 90 days of seatime within th elast three years.

The 100 ton wants 720 days total, 90 in three years, and 360 offshore total... Whew!!!

Going thru Chappy's to see what I missed the last time... Any other good advice - not that there is ever bad advice here!!!

sten
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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 11:13:19

Speaking of tricky questions (or rather of stupid ones), I had two #^*@!ng questions on which Subchapter (A, B, C, K, T...) of the USCG regulations certain categories of rules are found. Why I should know that is a mystery to me (and to my instructor), but it turns out it's in my course book. I SWAG-ed those questions--have no idea how that came out.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2011 : 04:21:49

Sten/Dave, good luck, have had a 100t since '96 and need to renew this year. Worth keeping current, even if you don't use it during those five years. The one thing I let expire was the radar endorsement, figured I can retake if ever needed.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2011 : 05:22:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Sten/Dave, good luck, have had a 100t since '96 and need to renew this year. Worth keeping current, even if you don't use it during those five years. The one thing I let expire was the radar endorsement, figured I can retake if ever needed.
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Radar endorcement? So do I need to add stuff to my program? How does this work? I asked the school a lot of questions, but did not see that.

sten

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Response Posted - 04/02/2011 : 10:32:28

...and sailing.
...and towing (if you want).
The good news is those two are only a few hours each of class/study followed by a relatively simple test.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Sten/Dave, good luck, have had a 100t since '96 and need to renew this year. Worth keeping current, even if you don't use it during those five years. The one thing I let expire was the radar endorsement, figured I can retake if ever needed.
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Radar endorcement? So do I need to add stuff to my program? How does this work? I asked the school a lot of questions, but did not see that.

sten
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Response Posted - 04/02/2011 : 11:37:02

I did the towing endorsement stuff... Don't plan to ever use it. The more you know about towing, the more you want to leave it to the pros. I will assist, stand by, call for help, do whatever... but probably not tow (except something like the sailing kayak I towed on the river last year).

The sailing endorsement requires 180 days on a sailboat (OUPV) or 360 (Master) in your lifetime. The schools generally cover it in one short session, followed by a small test. Here's a [url="http://www.boatsafe.com/cgi-local/cgboat.pl"]sample[/url]. (I missed one.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2011 : 18:04:45

My son has been going through the same "death march" process as, to be a launch operator at a YC on Long Island Sound it is a requirement. (I think a bit of overkill considering everything, but . . . .) So, 11 months into it he is about to file. And if he waits four more weeks, the process starts all over again! Thank God it was a simpler process when I was his age!

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Response Posted - 04/03/2011 : 04:39:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

Radar endorcement? So do I need to add stuff to my program? How does this work? I asked the school a lot of questions, but did not see that.

sten
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Sten,
Not sure what your plans for the license are, I don't imagine you need the radar endorsement for deliveries, charters, etc. But...I haven't looked for work in the field in a while, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. I had to get my unlimited radar when i ran boats for the Army (yes, the Army has boats, there are a couple in Tampa on the south side of the Gandy). When I went through radar training it was five days, intense and precise work on paper, with very little tolerances, and when we went "live" on the radars they handed us a fat grease pencil to draw our plots out on the radar screen (this was before ARPA, AIS, etc.)

Who are you going through? Sea School use to be based out of St Pete.

Good Luck
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Response Posted - 04/03/2011 : 08:22:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 [quote]...when we went "live" on the radars they handed us a fat grease pencil to draw our plots out on the radar screen...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Reminds me of a favorite quote from my corporate

budget planning days: "Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, and cut with an axe."

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redviking
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Response Posted - 04/08/2011 : 06:18:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

Radar endorcement? So do I need to add stuff to my program? How does this work? I asked the school a lot of questions, but did not see that.

sten
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Sten,
Not sure what your plans for the license are, I don't imagine you need the radar endorsement for deliveries, charters, etc. Who are you going through? Sea School use to be based out of St Pete.

Good Luck
tc
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Thanks! Guess I've been out sailing and not been here for awhile.

Adams Marine Seminars is coming to St. Pete June 20th. So I'll spend part of the hot sticky summer inside!

We have some Swedish friends who we met while cruising on our C25 - they also introduced us to our current vessel - who have been Captain and First Mate/Chef on a Danish Billionaires $2 mil Oyster 62. They have crossed the pond three times, once on their own sled and twice on his. They have done the Med and the Caribean... Sorta has to be a husband wife team - check!

because you have to be able to deliver the boat without picking up additional crew. So uh, we might wanna do some of that.

And let's just face it - I want the title! Actually, I want to own it. You can call anyone driving the boat a Captain, but are they a REAL Captain? Do they really know their stuff? 54.5 hours for the OUPV says you do. Add 24 for the 100 ton masters and you've invested more class time than most college kids do these days in a semester.

BUT - HOLD THE PHONE! I need more! A US issued Captain's License is not valid for pretty much most of the planet! Enter the ICC - RYA International Certificate of Competence License!

ICC - International Certificate of Competence
The ICC - International Certificate of Competence or your "boat license" is an important certificate to obtain before you go to European Mainland. As the skipper of a vessel, you must ensure that you are aware of any requirement for qualifications before venturing into another country's jurisdiction. In very general terms an ICC (International Certificate of Competence) is required for the inland waterways of Europe and for inland and coastal waters of Mediterranean countries. You will not be allowed to operate your vessel in other European countries without one.

Indeed without such a document you may find your boat impounded for many days before you can get a suitable qualified skipper (ICC qualified...! ) to remove your boat for you.

Scary! Actually, from what I have now heard it is a good program. They even do an overnight with you to see how you manage crew and how you respond to the MOB at o'dark thirty. Now that is a test I am up for!

sten

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Response Posted - 04/08/2011 : 07:10:52

My GF's son, when in Australia, earned his (I think) British captain's license--I'm completely vague now on what it was, but it's apparently the most rigorous civilian test in the world, and the license is recognized everywhere. Among other things, with the examiner aboard, he had to navigate the Baltic 46 across Sydney Harbor to a dock, from below--no view outside--using only a chart, tide/current table, and calculations--then calling his heading/speed orders up to a crew on deck. No GPS, no radar, no visual contacts... I think the only thing the crew was allowed to feed back was whatever was needed to prevent collisions. He put the boat right next to the dock. (...said it was nerve-wracking!)

So he outranks me by a lot!

BTW, I'm now engaged in a struggle to show proof that I owned all of the boats I'm claiming sea time on, going back to years for which I've lost all registrations, insurance records, etc... I'm resorting to paying the CT DMV to send me some historical records. That's my last requirement--then off to Boston to turn everything over.

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Response Posted - 04/08/2011 : 09:08:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 
BTW, I'm now engaged in a struggle to show proof that I owned all of the boats I'm claiming sea time on, going back to years for which I've lost all registrations, insurance records, etc... I'm resorting to paying the CT DMV to send me some historical records. That's my last requirement--then off to Boston to turn everything over.
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My school says that there is a form that you can fill out and approximate days at sea... Dunno... They made it sound easier than it seems it should be, but it's not like I haven't been in the rodeo for awhile now. BUT, I'm back peddling right now too just in case. I have kept a pretty darn good log overall the past 7-8 years, but time was spotty and only in the summer months until we jumped off and went cruising. You are allowed to count time on other peoples boats, but you'll need an affidavit from each you are counting time on.

So far, I think I can find the 720 and the 90 days in the past 3 years.

sten

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Response Posted - 04/09/2011 : 04:52:16

Sten, I agree, having the ticket is a sense of pride. I've only used it once or twice in the 15 years I've had it, but I still think was worth the pain. But, now that I'm "retired" I plan on using it more, hope to do a few stateside deliveries (snow birds coming south in the fall, north n the spring).

Collecting past time can be fun, I had quite a bit of time commercial grouper fishing, but the boat, captain, and owner were no where to be found, so I did not use it. Luckily I had enough time on an Army LCM and my personal small boats to meet the requirement. The last time I renewed I had to sit through the renewal training, but that should not be a problem this time.

Good luck,
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Response Posted - 04/09/2011 : 11:40:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 My school says that there is a form that you can fill out and approximate days at sea... Dunno... They made it sound easier than it seems it should be...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Sten, there is a [url="http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/forms/application/cg719s.pdf"]Sea Service form[/url], but it only shows total "days" (>4 hours under way) by month and year, along with the basic description of the boat and waters it was used in. I've been told (by the USCG REC in Boston) that if I claim time on my own boat, I must provide evidence that I owned the boat during the periods claimed. That can include registration certificates, insurance records, and I'm not sure what else. Otherwise, your use is what you say it is--I'm going with pretty rough estimates based on how we typically used the boats from year to year. (Who keeps a daily log for a recreational vessel? If they required that, they wouldn't be able to license anybody.)

It has also been suggested (by my instructor) that one or more of your three reference letters says something that supports your claims for sea service. (One of those three will presumably be from your school.) A friend and I traded letters that said things about the other person's activities. For example, I made reference to his 7-month trip down the ICW to the Keys and back, and his many cruises to the MA islands and Maine.

My sense is they want to give you the license, but they don't want to be suckered.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/09/2011 11:42:34

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Response Posted - 07/13/2012 : 07:54:20

Revive the thread!
I was coming up for renewal in August, I waited to get close to renewal time and just sent in my Master's packet. I did the Sea School upgrade class last fall to get ready.
So now waiting on the mail!

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