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eguevara
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Initially Posted - 04/04/2011 : 11:27:34

has anyone used this before?

http://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-206999-Marine-Topside-1-Quart/dp/B000BZTJT2/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301941522&sr=8-1-fkmr0

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 13:35:28

What do you want to do with it? (...he asks suspiciously.)

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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 14:09:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What do you want to do with it? (...he asks suspiciously.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Tell'em Dave!!

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eguevara
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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 17:01:36

paint the top side of a catalina 22..
its a 1976 model. with the need of paint..

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 17:57:05

I would advise against painting gel coat. It's not nearly as durable as gel coat - especially if you go with "cheap topside paint." You may well end up chasing scratches the rest of the time you own the boat. I think you'll regret it.

Edited by - OJ on 04/05/2011 18:53:09

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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 18:50:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 I would advise against painting gel coat. It's not nearly as durable as gel coat - especially if you go with "cheap topsode paint." You may well end up chasing scratches the rest of the time you own the boat. I think you regret it.
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I am looking at having to re-paint Confetti before too long since the gel coat is actually worn away in several places on the deck and cabin. Anyone have any experience with Interlux "Perfection"? (see info at: http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa/diy/products/finishes/search.aspx

Thanks,

Chuck

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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 19:59:27

Chuck--a 2-part should be more durable than 1-part (like Brightside), but trickier to apply. Have you checked out Practical Sailor on the subject? (If you don't have it, how 'bout your public library?)

Eddy--where I was leading with my question is where OJ went. If you have any gelcoat left (which Chuck is apparently running out of), there are some better options. After a few attempts at compounding and waxing Passage's tired, weather-beaten topsides, I tried [url="http://www.poliglow-int.com/poliglow.phtml"]Poly Glow[/url]--a polymer finish a little like mop-on floor finishes. On bare, clean gelcoat, using their chamois-like mop applicator, you wipe on one coat, which virtually diappears... then another that starts looking streaky... then another that starts looking shiny, then another that gives you an even shine--all within maybe three hours total. A year later, it'll look just about the same, except maybe for spots where fenders rub a lot. One quick coat each spring was all she wanted. (Note: VertGlas (sp?) is roughly the same thing.)

Now, fanatical compounding, waxing, and buffing can produce a more brilliant shine--no doubt about it. But the polymer finish lasts longer and take much less work--assuming there is clean gelcoat to apply it to. (PG makes a very aggressive cleaner that can also be used to remove their own finish, since soap doesn't phase it.) A yard guy who was waxing a boat next to mine was amazed at my results, especially given how easy and fast it was.

The thing about paint, especially on the topsides that tend to contact docks, boats, and things, is that it doesn't "wear away"--it chips, scratches, and peels--especially on gelcoat. Then there's nothing to do but remove it all, or paint over the chips, scratches, and peeled areas--that's when the boat really starts to look like it's been "painted with a broom".

I'm summarizing the experience of a number of owners I've known, as well as member reports here over the years... A professional application of Awlgrip or Imron (2-part paints) is another matter, in more way$ than one.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/04/2011 20:16:31

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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 20:38:47

Thanks Dave, good write-up, you convinced me which way I'm going now. I was gonna be the one polishing and waxing, and was starting to look for deals on a Makita buffer and re-read Mainsails how-to. But instead I think I'm gonna try the polyglow kit.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 04:57:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harleyworker
 . . . But instead I think I'm gonna try the polyglow kit . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">wimp

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 05:47:02

I heard someone talking about painting and then gelcoating. Has anybody heard of this? Care to elaborate?

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 06:35:34

I believe the sages that warn against painting gelcoat but, I can't help but wondering, don't Corvettes get painted?

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 06:44:07

eddy-

Painting a boat is like a marriage. If jumped into hastily, the results are almost guaranteed to be disappointing. Like all marriages, no painting job is perfect, but if you take your time and choose the right partner, things are certainly in your favor for a more harmonious relationship. If one picks the partner who "swears" she will be low maintenance and will be there when the going gets tough and has a "morally casual attitude" shall we say, do not be surprised when she flakes out. And if you and paint do ever decide to "divorce", God help you. You will remember that cheap-ass paint for as long as you have the boat.

Sometimes, all the old girl needs is a little makeup. When I restored my C25, I debated paint, wax/buff, and poli-glo. I finally decided on Poli-glo. It has been a wonderful and carefree marriage!

Here is a picture of my former darling after poli-glo:

In painting a boat or picking a mate, choose wisely! You will be together for a long time.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 07:25:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 In painting a boat or picking a mate, choose wisely! You will be together for a long time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or her new partner might come looking for you one day!

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 07:29:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 ...don't Corvettes get painted?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">But they don't start out gelcoated, and they don't bump into docks. And when they bump into other cars, check the bill.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 08:13:22

Can poli-glo be used on the deck? It appears from the pics, it is used on the hull only.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 08:24:04

I don't think so. If you wanted to take the time I guess you could spend some time doing just the smooth parts of the deck but I wouldn't use it on the non-slip.

Others may disagree.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 09:04:57

I had a guy in Georgia, who works on and restores catalina 22's paint my 1975 C22 hull, not the deck, and I'll agree with those who recommend not painting gelcoat. If it gets scratched, chipped, or paint rubbed off by the trailer guide-on poles, you'll be constantly doing touch up work to it. Incidentally, my guy used Imron paint, a 2-part paint used on big rig trucks. It's tough stuff and lasts a long time, but I goofed and let a guide-on pole get too close after a haul-out and didn't move the pole before driving home. I've noow got a rubbed spot that I need to get fixed.
I did buy a can of West Marine SeaGloss polyurethane white paint for the non-skid on the foredeck as it was showing the glass in places. That's good paint, very durable.

Edited by - dmpilc on 04/05/2011 09:14:38

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 09:09:03

I'm gonna try that Poli Glow on my hull....

I'm going to do "just about" everything on my boat, but some things I'm gonna pay someone else to do...for example, my topsides...the paint is pretty chalky to the point it gets on you when you sit down. I found a guy that does boat detailing, and he told me he'd come out (all day job), power wash, then hand wash, then use 3M 1200 and buff, then apply a sealer wax. He said he does this alot and I'd be very pleased with the results. Cost - $200....sounds good to me and my temperamental back with a herniated disk. I'll happily pay that. He's supposed to come out next week.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 09:31:34

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23094

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 10:10:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 I'm gonna try that Poli Glow on my hull....

I'm going to do "just about" everything on my boat, but some things I'm gonna pay someone else to do...for example, my topsides...the paint is pretty chalky to the point it gets on you when you sit down. I found a guy that does boat detailing, and he told me he'd come out (all day job), power wash, then hand wash, then use 3M 1200 and buff, then apply a sealer wax. He said he does this alot and I'd be very pleased with the results. Cost - $200....sounds good to me and my temperamental back with a herniated disk. I'll happily pay that. He's supposed to come out next week.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Language check. Typically "topsides" refers to the area between the hull/deck joint and the water line. Anything above that is commonly called the deck or cockpit. So, it's not likely you're sitting on the topsides.

As to the paint getting chalky, are you sure it has already been painted or is that just chalky gelcoat? Testing with a bit of rubbing compound somewhere might clear up the question.

$200?!?!?! Send him to Ohio!

I'd let him have a shot at it before Poli-glow. Again, test a small section and see if you like the results. Poli-glow offers terrific results but, the complaint here has been that it can yellow over time and is a b!^#h to remove.

Edited by - John Russell on 04/05/2011 10:15:59

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 10:58:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harleyworker
 Thanks Dave, good write-up, you convinced me which way I'm going now. I was gonna be the one polishing and waxing, and was starting to look for deals on a Makita buffer and re-read Mainsails how-to. But instead I think I'm gonna try the polyglow kit.
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Here is a picture of Confetti after getting a Poli-glow application. The topsides are not gelcoated, they were painted with Awlgrip about 16-17 years ago after a collision messed up the gelcoat. I have not noticed any yellowing. It is able to be removed using the cleaner that comes in the kit if you want to however.

I would NOT use it on the deck and cabintop, especially on the antiskid areas! It will make them far too slick!!! (voice of experience talking!)

Cheers!

Chuck

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 14:12:10

Okay, deck/cockpit...thanks for the clarification.

Chalky gelcoat for sure....and $200, yeah I jumped all over that....

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 14:40:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 I don't think so. If you wanted to take the time I guess you could spend some time doing just the smooth parts of the deck but I wouldn't use it on the non-slip. Others may disagree.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Not me. I thought about using it on the vertical surfaces (cabin sides, bulkhead, etc...) but suspected the margin would be too visible up close.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 17:58:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 [quote]Originally posted by GaryB
 I thought about using it on the vertical surfaces (cabin sides, bulkhead, etc...) but suspected the margin would be too visible up close.
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Yeah, you're probably correct. I didn't think about that issue.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 19:40:59

see how you can see the fiberglass.

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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 21:06:28

Eddy--are you talking about the deck? That appears to be what you're showing us... (As John said, the "topsides" is the hull from the rub-rail to the waterline.) I can't tell whether I'm looking at worn away gelcoat or serious mildew in the non-skid. If the former, has the deck already been painted? (It kinda looks that way.) If so, then go ahead and do it again. I can't speak to that Rustoleum... I'd be inclined toward a marine polyurethane paint like Interlux Brightside (a one-part paint) or Perfection (2-part, which should be more durable but more complicated). And be meticulous about the preparation.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/05/2011 21:08:43

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