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eguevara
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Response Posted - 04/05/2011 : 21:48:30

I'm talking about the deck..
its worn away gelcoat..

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 05:54:31

This pdf was created by West System

http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/Uploads/Ew22Nonskid.pdf

If there's no damage to the nonskid you could spray on additional gel coat - this company carries all of the stock Catalina colors + application tools, instructions:

http://www.minicraft.com/

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 06:17:11

You might want to remove the rust catchers from your shrouds.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 07:49:19

We often went "topside" on USN ships, and that could be flight deck, hangar deck, sponsons, or anywhere else that one could catch a glimpse of sea and sky; it would probably technically include clinging to the hull with giant magnets, but that area would still not qualify as a "weatherdeck". It is a generic term. Using more specific terms like hull, deck, coachroof, cockpit will localize the area under discussion

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 09:51:07

"Going topside" is different from the part of a boat called the "topsides". The latter is defined in virtually every nautical glossary as described above.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 14:45:40

Never to late to learn something that you have either forgotten or never new. I will here after refer to that area of the hull that is measured as freeboard as topsides, unless my elderly brain loses track of it.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 15:02:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 You might want to remove the rust catchers from your shrouds.
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rust cathers? huh?
you talking about the PVC?

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 15:22:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by eguevara
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 You might want to remove the rust catchers from your shrouds.
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rust cathers? huh?
you talking about the PVC?

-eddy
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">yup along with the foam tubes.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 18:12:25

Eddy,

These might give you more bang for your buck . . .

http://www.westmarine.com/1/1/18950-snap-cable-covers-cover-3-16-wire-dia.html

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 19:09:36

the foam noodles are to try and make the boat a lil safer for kiddos..
I have a 9 year old and lots of my friends have younger kiddos.

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 19:10:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by eguevara
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 You might want to remove the rust catchers from your shrouds.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">rust cathers? huh? you talking about the PVC?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">yup along with the foam tubes.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'd be more worried if the shrouds had the tight vinyl covers on them (like my PO had) in a saltwater environment... Eddy's trying to help his jib get around on a tack. The rollers aren't tight to the shrouds, the fabric or foam (?) is on the rollers (not on the wire), and he's not in a salty environment. I'll say "no harm".

EDIT: OK, he's trying to do something else... No matter.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2011 : 19:20:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by eguevara
 the foam noodles are to try and make the boat a lil safer for kiddos..
I have a 9 year old and lots of my friends have younger kiddos.

-eddy
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Interesting idea. I wonder if they might give a false sense of security though. Grabbing the shroud as they walk by might be a firmer handhold. I don't think I'd let kids that age or younger walk around alone on deck and certainly not while underway but, that's just me. I'm a little over the top that way.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 08:21:47

Many sailboaters add netting to keep little ones from going into the drink:

http://www.seamar.com/nets/rail.html

Don't worry Eddy, as soon as we're done remodeling the outside of your boat we'll start on the inside. Can you post some interior pix in the near future?

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 08:34:27

I used netting on my Merit 25 to keep the headsails on the deck when dropped from the Harken furler foil.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 11:07:23

Hi guys, I've been around, but still lurking. I need to jump in on this paint thing. I agree that painting is the last resort, "when all else fails. . ." But we must never forget that things do fail. I've had some experience with painting boats because I have had some boats that were in really rough shape, largely because I bought them cheap because that's what I could afford and they had suffered. I don't know how to re-gel coat a boat, probably coudn't afford it and don't want to learn. Sometimes there are circumstances which demand paint.

1. First boat I ever owned. About a 1960 Pearson Electra. The sail number was 2, but I don't know if it was really hull number 2 or not. I sailed her out of Stamford, CT. and she is probably around there somewhere today. DPO had painted the interior with battleship grey paint which we figured he stole from the navy or something. So we painted it white. I saw, and still see no other alternative. Don't remember what kind of paint we used, but hopefully we were smart enough to get some sort of marine paint.

2. South Coast 23 (yes, another Alberg design.) Hull number 1. for sure. When we went to look at her (New Orleans municipal marina, 1980) The PO opened the hatch, then slid it closed and asked if we could come back tomorrow. I said No, go ahead and let's look. She was standing a foot deep in water in the cabin, all the wood rotted, mold, mildew and surfaces which looked like they had been rented out for cat fights. Deck and hull same same. Bare spots in the gel coat, scratches and dings. Found an old log from the sixties aboard which had one entry which said something like "Bill and Jerry and I went camping and fishing in the east part of the lake and ran aground 23 times in two days." You may ask "then why buy the boat.? Answer: In those days in New Orleans, there was only one marina and the waiting list was three to five years. Or buy a boat in a slip and pay the price. I paid about three times what the boat was worth just to get it. Painted it with Interlux Brightsides, hull, deck cockpit, interior and anywhere else I could find and sailed her for about eight years with no problems. That's where I learned to paint the deck a nice cool color. First coat was a pretty golden-bronze. Re-did it next year with a VERY light beige. This boat went up on the sea wall in Katrina and is gone now. A shame, because the current owner had done a magnificent job--far better than mine--of restoring her to close to original or better condition.

3. 1979 C25. Purely a judgment call. There were just too many bare spots on the deck where the gel coat was completely worn through, numerous hull dings, and previous name in letters a foot high and 10 feet long along both sides of the hull. I sanded, and applied every chemical I could think of including straight coca cola to try to clean that hull and finally decided that for a boat of that age and condition, painting was once again the option. So I did it. Interlux Brightsides again. Not a perfect solution and now, 6 years later, the deck needs another coat, but that is a couple of afternoon's work.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but just felt that we should consider that there are--admittedly extreme--cases where paint IS the answer. Perhaps not the best answer, but the doable one.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 14:06:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by crcalhoon
 ...but just felt that we should consider that there are--admittedly extreme--cases where paint IS the answer. Perhaps not the best answer, but the doable one.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I never meant to imply otherwise.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 19:18:02

I agree with CRCALHOON... I just don't know enough to make the wise cheap choice...
in time I will learn.. I'm sure I will make mistakes.. but there is always more than one way to get the job done right..

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 19:48:04

OJ.. I love the netting idea.. so.. what? 18" and about 60' or more?
have you had any luck with UV resistent zip ties?
what have you used in the past to attach the netting?

here are some more pictures of the boat and the inside and kiddos..

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 19:48:41

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eddyguevara/sets/72157624731236833/

sorry

-eddy

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 20:29:15

Looks like you've just about reached the stage where nobody has standing headroom in that C-22. Good time to move up!

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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 19:18:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tom Gauntt
 eddy-

Painting a boat is like a marriage. If jumped into hastily, the results are almost guaranteed to be disappointing. Like all marriages, no painting job is perfect, but if you take your time and choose the right partner, things are certainly in your favor for a more harmonious relationship. If one picks the partner who "swears" she will be low maintenance and will be there when the going gets tough and has a "morally casual attitude" shall we say, do not be surprised when she flakes out. And if you and paint do ever decide to "divorce", God help you. You will remember that cheap-ass paint for as long as you have the boat.

Sometimes, all the old girl needs is a little makeup. When I restored my C25, I debated paint, wax/buff, and poli-glo. I finally decided on Poli-glo. It has been a wonderful and carefree marriage!

Here is a picture of my former darling after poli-glo:

In painting a boat or picking a mate, choose wisely! You will be together for a long time.
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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 19:19:42

wow! that is a beauty.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 19:36:20

PG made my Passage look just about the same--you can sorta see the reflections of the fenders in this shot...

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