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jamperry
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Initially Posted - 06/02/2011 : 17:06:17

Hello, I have a 1978 Catalina 25 SR/FK and want to replace my anchor set up. I sail out of Mission Bay in San Diego. In Mission Bay there is mainly mud, and a danforth seems to be the best for holding in our area. Would anyone recommend the right weight aluminum anchor, how much rode, and how much line should i have? also, any recommendations on where to buy at a good price is appreciated.

James Perry

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 17:32:34

Uuh-oh, the anchor debate...

First question, do you plan to keep the anchor in the anchor locker or on an anchor roller......much depends on your decision.....

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 18:45:43

I say 7.

its my lucky number. Am I right? Do I win the prize?

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OJ
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 18:52:52

James . . . and an anchor inserted into an anchor roller could possibly interfere with the lower unit of a furler. One thing can certainly lead to another.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 19:49:20

I am totally satisfied with Danforth Standard 14#, a Deep-Set II at 8.5# or a Hi-Tensile 12# should be fine. Their suggested size in an HT is 5#, but you better not have weeds or a crust on the bottom if you go that light, and and I would probably go for the super overkill 13# if I were getting a DS II (suggested size for 41 footer in 20kts and average holding) for the same reason. Weight does matter for initial penetration in hard packed sand, crusted mud, and weeds and chain weight doesn't count. The better reference would be local sailors

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 06/02/2011 : 19:57:42

A former C-25 sailor who was also Commodore of the Association sailed out of Mission Bay and I believe he may have had a lot of BB-chain on the anchor, maybe 50 feet or so, leading to a swivel and 300 feet of 3-strand, nylon rode.

You could get the facts about his expert approach by searching the previous Forum posts using keywords "anchor" or "chain" while searching under the member name "JimB517".

Jim was one of our local heroes here, and whatever he used for his ground tackle around Mission Bay was undoubtedly optimal for costal anchoring inside of the kelp beds you have just off the coast, and also anchoring near one or more of the channel islands, like Catalina Island.

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Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 00:32:23

James , I fitted an Al anchor and used it first time overnight a couple of weeks ago ... Fantastic in the mud bottom
Guardian G-16 weight 7 lb . the sharp edge and smooth surface resulted in most mud sliding off on retrieval. great it held fine in 15 knot gusts but no waves . (I had 20 ft of 3/16 chain and had 20 ft of rope in 10 ft of water)
Great for a bad back . I sat and pulled rope and chain up into locker until anchor came to roller then reached over and pulled aboard 7 lb -- so easy . I now fit it in pulpit hanging ready for use but manipulate thru beside furl-er to store in locker - Couldn't do that with the old Danforth . and great with no sticky mud an extra bonus

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 04:26:46

Ok, I'll cast my vote for Guardian and minimum 15' chain. I use a roller:

However, if you have "soft mud", whatever that is, Fortress FX-16 comes with optional "mud flukes".

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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 06:22:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 ...if you have "soft mud", whatever that is, Fortress FX-16 comes with optional "mud flukes".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What the Fortress has is two fluke angles--one for soft mud and one for harder bottoms. I'd suggest the 7 lb. Fortress FX-11 or the 7 lb. Guardian 16--either with 25'+ of 1/4" chain. Overall rode length depends on your situation, but allow for 7:1 scope (including your 4' high bow).

[url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=868"]Jim Baumgart[/url] is indeed an excellent source for Mission Bay and SD-area advice. He doesn't seem to be following this forum any more--he's engaged in ocean racing on his Pearson Flyer... You could try e-mailing him via his profile here.

Meanwhile, expect some screams from the Red Viking, who is muttering to himself as we speak...

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 06:24:33

I did that search and found this info for you about anchor rode:

"JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/08/2010 : 15:42:55
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I got my 5/16 chain at Home Depot, fully galvanized. Next time I'll get 1/4 inch, plenty for a C25. I have 50 ft and 200 feet of 1/2 nylon."

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calden
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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 06:51:36

Besides finding posts from that local Mission Bay sailor (an excellent idea) you might also talk to Seaforth boat rentals on Mission Bay. I have visited San Diego a bunch of times (poor man's Hawaiian vacation) and rented boats at the Seaforth locations in Mission Bay and Coronado. They know what they are doing with boats in our size range. I bet they could give you pretty good advice as to what kind of ground tackle would work well in Mission Bay.

http://www.seaforthboatrental.com/rentals/our-boats.html

Carlos

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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 08:15:08

The Fortress is powerful and LIGHT!!!!!!!!!
At my age I really appreciated the weight of the Fortress.
You get what you pay for.

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jamperry
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Response Posted - 06/03/2011 : 09:22:26

First of all i have to say you all AMAZING, and a heartfelt thank you for all your input! I'm very impressed with this forum, and now feel comfortable with the support of our community of Cat 25 owners. My old baby is the first non-dinghy sailboat i've owned and this information helps enormously. i'm driven to minimize 'ut-oh's' where-ever i can (this helps). What a great little boat the Cat 25 pop-top... I'll compile all the comments above, make a decision and report by my plans. After use, i'll let the thread know how all turned out. Any other comments, please keep em coming!!! What a great group!

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