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PCP777
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Initially Posted - 08/08/2011 : 13:14:31

What an idiot.

Note the guy that jumps overboard at :25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUoUxzt9sI&feature=player_embedded

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 13:56:55

Not smart to play chicken with a tanker! Those guys are lucky they weren't killed.

Edited by - dmpilc on 08/08/2011 13:57:35

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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 14:05:16

I read elsewhere that 2 went overboard during this incident, both recovered. One person treated and released for a laceration to the head.

This skipper is a very strong contender for the 2011 Darwin award.

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islander
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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 14:17:35

What a stupid place to put an anchor...

I get many tugs and barges on Long Island Sound and I always give them plenty of room. I always think of the captain of the tug on any summer weekend day, Looking down the Sound on his way to or from NYC, Thousands of sailboats,Powerboats,Jet Skis. It must be frightening or it would be to me.

Edited by - islander on 08/08/2011 14:19:48

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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 14:32:52

Didn't phase those racers... Probably a little orange paint on the sailboat.

I mentioned the "Rule of Tonnage" in another thread--there it is.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 08/08/2011 14:36:37

John Russell
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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 17:07:46

I thought it interesting that they mentioned the collison and dismasting and then proceeded on with the race as if nothing happened.

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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 17:51:25

Can you imagine the terror one would experience just as you reach the point that you know you are going to get hit!

I would expect there was a serious sewage spill about the time of impact! And I don't mean from a breached tank!

Edited by - GaryB on 08/08/2011 17:51:50

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Response Posted - 08/08/2011 : 19:29:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pfduffy
 I read elsewhere that 2 went overboard during this incident, both recovered...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I don't see it--it appears three people are aboard the whole time--two aft and one who moves forward. The mast and boom could easily have injured any of them. If anyone had gone over, their chances would have been very bad. The suction created by the movement of the ship's hull (the Bernoulli effect) is substantial--that's what keeps the sailboat dragging along the tanker's side. A body in the water would be at tremendous peril.

EDIT: Now I see something just before impact--maybe somebody jumping off the starboard side. Very bad idea, but it's hard to imagine the emotions at that instant in time.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 08/08/2011 19:35:50

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 06:27:03

And all of that just to try and get a silly candy dish! A lot of racers are just plain fools and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near large bodies of water.

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 06:44:09

Come on, Sten... Don't hold back--let us know what you really think!

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redviking
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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 06:50:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Come on, Sten... Don't hold back--let us know what you really think!

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Sorry, but I have seen way too much stupid stuff happen before, during and after races to really hold most racers with any regard. Most of the time they are either tanked or hung over from the night before. To win at all costs seems to be the mantra and anyone who sails sorta professionally knows that schedules are always a bad thing.

sten

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 07:00:10

What i found amazing is that some people in the youtube forums were arguing that the sailboat had the right of way....

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 07:35:05

OMG! I just saw the video for the first time, and it takes your breath away!

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 14:19:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 OMG! I just saw the video for the first time, and it takes your breath away!
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Steve, I felt the same way. I just cant believe what I saw and why someone would think they could get away with that. Maybe they wanted a new mast and spinnaker?
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 14:45:37

We race around those monsters all the time around the Bay Bridge and Baltimore Harbor, but so far I've only been hit by one in my nightmares. Seeing that video was waaay too vivid, and gave me a chill!

A few weeks ago, I actually had one stop for me, a few miles south of the Bay Bridge. I was motorsailing south, and had to cross the commercial channel, and saw him way down the Bay. I started across, thinking he would pass through the approximate area where I was vacating. I didn't realize that he had to make a sharp turn, and would be crossing through the area where I was headed. When I got there, he might have been able to continue, and pass by me, but it would have been closer than would have been comfortable for either of us, so he stopped and waited. I was grateful, of course.

It was my fault for interfering with him, and I felt bad about it. Because he was in the neighborhood, I should have hailed him on the radio and told him what I intended to do, and given him an opportunity to warn me about his turn, or, I should have at least taken a look at his channel to see if he had to make a turn. I'm a bit reluctant to get on the radio with them, because you can imagine that their radio would be constantly buzzing if every recreational sailor hailed them, but when I have done so, they have been courteous, and I think they'd rather we call than not, when in doubt.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 08/09/2011 14:58:56

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 15:17:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 We race around those monsters all the time around the Bay Bridge and Baltimore Harbor, but so far I've only been hit by one in my nightmares. Seeing that video was waaay too vivid, and gave me a chill!

A few weeks ago, I actually had one stop for me, a few miles south of the Bay Bridge. I was motorsailing south, and had to cross the commercial channel, and saw him way down the Bay. I started across, thinking he would pass through the approximate area where I was vacating. I didn't realize that he had to make a sharp turn, and would be crossing through the area where I was headed. When I got there, he might have been able to continue, and pass by me, but it would have been closer than would have been comfortable for either of us, so he stopped and waited. I was grateful, of course.

It was my fault for interfering with him, and I felt bad about it. Because he was in the neighborhood, I should have hailed him on the radio and told him what I intended to do, and given him an opportunity to warn me about his turn, or, I should have at least taken a look at his channel to see if he had to make a turn. I'm a bit reluctant to get on the radio with them, because you can imagine that their radio would be constantly buzzing if every recreational sailor hailed them, but when I have done so, they have been courteous, and I think they'd rather we call than not, when in doubt.
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How did he stop? Drag tug? Most of those guys take a bit of distance to stop. I find that if I hail them on 13, they LOVE it.... They are most cool when you hit them on their own channel. Just delivered an Oyster 62 to Newport from Charleston with AIS and was hailed by one vessel who was concerned. The other threats were all hailed by me on 13 and we were well received. If you haven't figured out by now, I love the radio.

Sten

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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 15:31:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 [quote]How did he stop? Drag tug? Most of those guys take a bit of distance to stop. I find that if I hail them on 13, they LOVE it.... They are most cool when you hit them on their own channel. Just delivered an Oyster 62 to Newport from Charleston with AIS and was hailed by one vessel who was concerned. The other threats were all hailed by me on 13 and we were well received. If you haven't figured out by now, I love the radio.

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It wasn't a tug. It was a big containership. He didn't have to make a "crash-stop." He could see me from enough distance to be able to stop without getting any closer than about a quarter mile, or perhaps a little more. It wasn't a near-miss. I think he realized that I didn't anticipate his turn, and was kind enough not to blow his horn at me. He just stopped and allowed me to get clear. When I was clear, he moved on.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 08/09/2011 : 15:43:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 [quote]How did he stop? Drag tug? Most of those guys take a bit of distance to stop. I find that if I hail them on 13, they LOVE it.... They are most cool when you hit them on their own channel. Just delivered an Oyster 62 to Newport from Charleston with AIS and was hailed by one vessel who was concerned. The other threats were all hailed by me on 13 and we were well received. If you haven't figured out by now, I love the radio.

Sten
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It wasn't a tug. It was a big containership. He didn't have to make a "crash-stop." He could see me from enough distance to be able to stop without getting any closer than about a quarter mile, or perhaps a little more. It wasn't a near-miss. I think he realized that I didn't anticipate his turn, and was kind enough not to blow his horn at me. He just stopped and allowed me to get clear. When I was clear, he moved on.
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Nice... Most of them need more space to go into a full stop. A tow tug is often deployed to assist these big boys in slowing down. The aft tow tug slows down the ship, maybe not on the Cheaseapake... Dunno....

Sten

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Response Posted - 08/10/2011 : 12:42:46

Well,
This is a good reality check, a rules of the road reminder.... It´s not a question of tonnage, it´s a Restricted in his Ability to Maneuver Vessel an therefore he has right of way over sailboats even "racing sailboats"!!

So we can all remember our Rules of the road (Not that this is really necessary, I am just practicing to see if I remember them all....)
From Stand on Vessel to Give way Vessel

1- Vessel Not under Command
Vessel at anchor ( using proper day shape or light and not in a channel)
Vessel Restricted in his Ability to Maneuver
Vessel Constrained by Draft (Not in inland waters and the great lakes)
Vessel engaged in fishing ( Commercial fishing only - Deadliest Catch similars)

2- A Vessel being overtaken

3- Sailboat over Powerboat

4- Starboard Tack over Port Tack

5- Leeward boat over Windward boat

Fair winds to all!!

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