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dave holtgrave
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Initially Posted - 12/20/2002 : 00:20:20

i know we have been over the keel winch many times but here's my problem.
i have a 1988 25 that has 3 bolts holding the winch to the top step.
over the years it has increasingly bent to where i need to do something.
the winch has two bolts on the port side and one bolt centered near the edge on the starbord side . if you looked at the starboard side it would look three sided.
with the weight on the one bolt it has distorted the top flat side and has sagged around the bolt to make it look like a two sided roof.

has anyone ever had a similar condition and removed the winch to place it in a press to straighten the tophousing?

let me know what you think
thanks and happy holidays from the midwest boy sitting in sunny san diego.
oh, the forcast, 2 to 3 inches of rain, heavy surf, and 10 to 20 inches of snow in the mountians.
did i mention it was 62 degrees in the midwest today.

it sure is beautiful here
dave holtgrave
5722sk/tr

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/20/2002 : 09:21:29

Dave: I dono nuttin about keel winches, but I do know that once you've bent a piece of metal and then bend it back, it's gonna be easier to bend it the next time. I'd either (1) add something to strengthen it (?), (2) change the bolt pattern so it doesn't bend like that (?), or (3) buy a new winch for about a BU from Cat. Dir. (maybe less from Catalina).

BTW, are you trailering with the keel winched up off the support? I'm just trying to figure out where the excess stress is coming from...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/20/2002 : 10:25:09

Dave,

I read your post earlier this morning and thought the same thing as Dave Bristle. Once metal starts bending it becomes weaker and weaker until it finally fails. <b>I suspect you don't want that failure happening while you're sailing!"</b> If it my boat, I get a new winch and then not have to worry. I'm not big on self-repair prijects because, for me, they often fail and I find myself in greater trouble than I was to start.

Have a great Christmas,

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 12/20/2002 : 11:22:39

thanks don and dave
i trailer and store with the keel down on the trailer.
i forgot to say that when and if i straighten the housing i will add two bolts like the other side.

i will try to straighten when i bring the boat home for spring start-up (around mid may).

i will post a reply then

the weather this morning in san diego is just like forcast.
rain and heavy surf.
still a very beautiful place.

thanks
dave holtgrave
5722 tr/sk

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RoofRoof
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Response Posted - 12/20/2002 : 13:33:28

Replace the winch! I replaced mine just because it was original and I found if difficult to keep the handle on. (It kept slipping)
This was probably the best addition/change I've made on my boat. Now the handle stays put, and raising and lowering is 1000% better and safer.

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Response Posted - 12/20/2002 : 17:54:47

I am also having problem with winch handle slipping off. Is the new replacement winch a different design handle that stays engaged better without slipping?

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA
<lgcharlot@hotmail.com>

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/20/2002 : 20:35:22

Larry: Again, I'm not a swinger, but for a picture of the replacement from Catalina Direct, look at http://www.catalinadirect.com/keel%20winch%20c-25

You may see some differences--I don't know.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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goodone
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Response Posted - 12/27/2002 : 21:53:54

I know exactly what you mean about the keel winch...mine was the
same way.Since I was replacing the cable,I completely removed the winch,straightened the bent portion,then reattached it but put some
large, flat metal plates( kinda like washers) under the bolt heads to spread the load and keep it from happening again.Easy and cheap fix....Gene

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dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 12/30/2002 : 09:37:14

hey gene!
thanks for the vote of confidence.
your answer is what i was waiting to here.

one question.
did you use the same one hole or did you add two haole to match the other side?

thanks again
dave holtgrave
5722
sk/tr

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goodone
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Response Posted - 12/31/2002 : 23:14:22

I used the same holes...they are sufficient. Just, MAKE SURE to
replace that cable.Mine LOOKED ok but was corroding apart INSIDE
where the eyelet crimps on.Was an accident waiting to happen....

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Mike Vaccaro
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 12:20:49

Larry: The new winches use the same design handle. Seems to stay engaged best with a bit of pressure on the handle, but will occasionally slip.

Dave: Had the same problem with our old winch. Replaced it with a new winch and cable we obtained from Catalina. Added washers and have had no problems with the new winch. Would recommend replacing rather than repairing the winch, since the work involved is the same and the cost of a new winch is reasonable. The new winch is much easier to crank up than the old one was. Additionally, the winch is working near its maximum rated load every time you use it, so it's one of those simple but critical pieces of machinery you want to be able to trust.

Best of Luck,

Mike Vaccaro on the "Swoose"
84TR/SK #4707

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