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135% or 150% furling genoa?

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rhogan62
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Initially Posted - 09/16/2011 : 11:13:35

Hi,

I am thinking of upgrading my c-25 std rig roller furling headsail to either a 135% or 150% Genoa. I will be sailing off shore in southern California and I would like to know, if I can only buy one sail, which would be better. I know I can furl the 150 in stronger winds, but will it lose sail shape and effect performance too much?

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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 12:29:48

Robert, I have a C250 so answer is a little different. But I also live in SoCal and sail off shore in the Newport area. I currently have a 110 and wish I too had a larger sail as many days are very light winds. But after much discussion with others, here on the forum and local sailors, I have determined the 135 would best meet my needs.
Where abouts do you sail? I know the winds pick up the further north you go. My 110 needs to be replaced soon(it has several tears and the built in UV sail cover is now non existent) but I will keep it. Are you able to do the same? Have you also spoke to several lofts, who most also recommend the 135 for my area, but I have not yet decided. I am leaning toward Ullman in Ventura. Gary is a good guy and been helpful. I think they have a 15% discount now till 10-6.
Steve A
Update: I just spoke to Gary and if you order by end of this month you get another 10% off for delivery end of November/1st of December. I am leaning on no foam luff as it will hinder light air or the sunbrella UV cover which will last 10yrs but needs maintaince after 5 yrs vs 5 yrs for dacron. I believe its about $50 more for each option. I got a price of $709 with one or the other plus $10 shipping. Prices went up from last year and going up again so this is good time now.
Here is a [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16840&SearchTerms=SUNBRELLA,VS,DACRON,UV,COVER"]link[/url] to discussion on foam luff and UV covers.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 13:19:08

Interesting question, this came up Wednesday as we finished up the race on the C-27SR. The C-27 has a 155 and my C-25TR has a 135. The C-27 is a light air assassin, but in anything over 17 to 18 knots she gets over powered pretty badly and obviously when you start rolling up head sail you lose shape and speed. So the owner of the C-27 was wondering if he'd rather have a 135 instead.

Being in an inland lake the sumnmers are pretty light but spring and fall it huffs pretty good, I'm pretty happy with my 135. If I get more than 20 knts or I have the family aboard, I just leave the main down and roll out the 135 and she does very well.

So, what is the wind like in your area, that will be the decider. I would think, with an ocean breeze, that the 135 might be the better choice.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 13:44:56

There's been quite a few posts on this subject and to my knowledge the 135 always has won

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 14:31:53

If you sail predominately in light to very light air go with the 150, otherwise the 135. Since you are sailing offshore, and understand I'm an inland lake sailor, if I could buy only one, it would be the 135.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 15:06:55

I had a 130 on my C-25 SR, which I've been told is the same as the 135 but with a bit higher clew (more of a cruising sail). My feeling was that wing-and-wing in light air, unless you poled out a 150-155, you'd have more trouble filling it than a 130-135. Also, for my purposes, the 130 was easy to handle--the 155s some friends had were more cumbersome to tack and harder to see around and under. I could roll up the 130 to about 100-110 without significant shape issues, but in blustery weather, we often preferred sailing on the full 130 alone--leaving the cover on the main. Lots of power with little heel. As always, YMMV.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 15:17:48

Well I sail in SoCal and had a 155 hank-on before I switched to my current 135 furler. The 135 is plenty of sail while the 155 at times was overpowering and greatly reduced visibility. Of course the 135 furler is cut higher to allow it to furl while the 155 was more or less a deck sweeper. I also found in light winds the 155 was so heavy it was hard to keep it from collapsing. It is not like a drifter with light fabric. If your intent is to race the 155 may be a better choice but for cruising the 135 is the cat's meow and will provide plenty of power.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 16:22:38

I sail a 150 on my furler all the time, but most of the listed negatives are true: requires a pole in light air, worse shape when it is frequently reduced to a 135. When I replace, I'll probably go with a 135 for my tall rig.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 16:27:57

you'll find that answers get diluted if you post in multiple locations.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 17:42:45

yep

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 19:46:08

Yup again... Most of us (I suspect) look at "Active Topics", so we see what's new in each forum. A question like this is specific to a model--the sails and sailing characteristics are different between the C-25, C-250, and CP-25. I would have put this question in the C-25 forum only, and if it had appeared on the C-250 forum, I wouldn't have replied because I know my experience doesn't apply.

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rhogan62
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Response Posted - 09/18/2011 : 19:58:21

Thanks for the great advice! It sounds like the 135 is the way to go. I was wasn't sure if this was more of a c-25 or a general question which is why I posted it in both forums. In the future I will just post in one to keep it clean. I am new to this association and recently purchased a 1980 c-25. This forum has already provided me with a wealth of information which has helped me a great deal in restoring my c-25 to its former glory. Thanks again and I look forward to getting to know more of you.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 09/19/2011 : 05:55:47

Regarding the use of a foam luff or not, North added a rope fluff on my 135 which works well and was far less expensive than foam.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/19/2011 : 14:00:29

I have a 110 and a 155% hank-on (too cheap for furling) and in racing, I often use the 155% Sometimes I wish I ahd somethign inbetween, but I am more likely to dump the main than go down a size in the foresail. Play your mainsheet and you can compensate for your headsail whatever size it is.

We also have a storm jib which gets used about 3 times a year when things really pipe up.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 09/19/2011 : 21:19:17

I am considering buying a new 135 to be used in spring and fall and using my ancient, baggy 150 in July and August.
I sail in Long Island Sound where the wind is lively in the spring and fall and almost non-existent in July and August. My "drifter" gets a workout in the summer doldrums.
It could be the right combo.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/22/2011 : 11:39:30

John, If interested in a new sail, check with Gary at Ullman in Ventura, CA. If you order by end of this month, he is giving 25% off.
Steve A

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