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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 11/14/2011 : 13:05:36

Topping lift is the way to go. I still use the pig tail, but only after we are back in the slip or at anchor and the sail is down. A rigid vang will get in the way of the pop-top, if you use it, and a boom kicker, while nice, will not support most guys' weight when you lose your balance and reach out for or lean against the boom to steady yourself.

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Lonnie
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Response Posted - 11/14/2011 : 16:04:45

Hey Howard, looks like we are in the same marina. I think you are in D3 and I am in D10. Stop by and say hello sometime. Boat-NikoChey

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/14/2011 : 16:44:37

Sounds like we might have a fleet forming in Texas?

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/14/2011 : 20:49:14

Don,

I would be sailing upwind and the boom is to leeward. Wind pressure on the sail/boom keeps the boat moving and the spar outboard. Simple
sailing technique. Works severy time, every time and I've had to reef when caught in winds up to 40 knots.

I will say this, it is a wise sailor that has some redundancy in safety equipment and a topping lift is probably a good place to back up a rigid vang or boom kicker. They would probably compliment each other nicely in certain situations. Having used both methods for many years, I believe that the rigid vang is best as a primary means of supporting the boom safely, particularly when reefing the main.

Finally, I have used my boom to support my moving to and from the cockpit many times. True, it is not as solid a support as say a stair railing, but then, I'm on a sailboat after all. It provides an adequate hand-hold for balance, as much so as one supported by a topping lift. Those who say it doesn't haven't had any experience with one for any length of time.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/14/2011 : 22:16:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 Finally, I have used my boom to support my moving to and from the cockpit many times. True, it is not as solid a support as say a stair railing, but then, I'm on a sailboat after all. It provides an adequate hand-hold for balance, as much so as one supported by a topping lift. Those who say it doesn't haven't had any experience with one for any length of time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Well, I guess I'm the "those people"... and I was just reporting what some people with rigid vangs have told me. I can't say for sure what the makes were, and I have no personal experience.

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hewebb
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 05:39:49

Scott

If you can make the move during the week I can help. We try to go sailing as much as possible during the week. Weekends are full with other activities.
Give me a call or e-mail

817-478-0105
jddain@earthlink.net

Howard

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 07:04:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 Don,

I would be sailing upwind and the boom is to leeward. Wind pressure on the sail/boom keeps the boat moving and the spar outboard. Simple
sailing technique. Works severy time, every time and I've had to reef when caught in winds up to 40 knots.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Al,

I can clearly see the advantages of the rigid vang when reefing, but the topic is about being attacked by the boom due to lateral movement while dropping the main from the cabintop. Since I've never had a rigid vang nor seen one in action, I was just wondering how much lateral movement the boom has with the sails down and the mainsheet snugged?

I like my topping lift, but if a rigid vang is an improvement, I'm interested. Thanks.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 07:30:13

I guess one question is whether you can snug the mainsheet as tightly with the rigid vang as with the topping lift (sail down). I used to haul it down pretty tight, pulling against my topping lift, to stabilize the boom so we could, for example, stand on the cockpit seats to organize and tie the sail while under way.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 08:19:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Sounds like we might have a fleet forming in Texas?
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Ha. Went to the marina and a new C-25 has moved in to the slip next to me. Also have a new owner in the slip past his, so three in a row and counting. Seems like there are a ton of C-25's on Hubbard.

I need to get down to eagle Mountain and go sailing with the 817 crew.

Oh and by the way, what's up with this gale force winds every weekend???? It's been nukin' hard, I haven't sailed in like a month???? I'm going through withdrawals over here, even though we spent the night on Stephanos Friday night....

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 08:45:31

Cool....got your email Lonnie.....I've got to find the time to get over there and do the move. These winds Peter have been part of the problem for me as well...I finally get a little time and it's blowin 40 MPH out there! I guess I could motor across the lake....probably end up doing that.

Seems to always be the story....when we get warm weather in the fall or spring, as Texas is.....it's because the southwest winds are kicking and bringing up the warm weather from Mexico. Another sailor at H1 told me to get a good storm jib and reef the main, then I can sail ALOT more. He said it was just about required equipment around here if you really want to sail year round.

So, Howard and Lonnie are D3 and D10? I'm B58 (I think) and I'll verify next time I'm out there. Sounds like we do indeed have a fleet brewing......you guys have your burgees yet?

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 08:53:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 Cool....got your email Lonnie.....I've got to find the time to get over there and do the move. These winds Peter have been part of the problem for me as well...I finally get a little time and it's blowin 40 MPH out there! I guess I could motor across the lake....probably end up doing that.

Seems to always be the story....when we get warm weather in the fall or spring, as Texas is.....it's because the southwest winds are kicking and bringing up the warm weather from Mexico. Another sailor at H1 told me to get a good storm jib and reef the main, then I can sail ALOT more. He said it was just about required equipment around here if you really want to sail year round.

So, Howard and Lonnie are D3 and D10? I'm B58 (I think) and I'll verify next time I'm out there. Sounds like we do indeed have a fleet brewing......you guys have your burgees yet?
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This seems to be the windiest year out of the last 4 as I usually do sail year round. In this stuff I would keep the main covered and roll out a blade but that kind of sailing is not family friendly. *sigh*

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 11/15/2011 : 20:16:59

Peter,

Don't say that too loud or you will be complaining it's the calmest you've ever seen before long.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 11/16/2011 : 11:09:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 Peter,

Don't say that too loud or you will be complaining it's the calmest you've ever seen before long.
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Ha, wise words.

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