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Fleet
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Initially Posted - 12/15/2011 :  06:23:58  Show Profile  Visit Fleet's Homepage
Hypothetical situation. A racer owns a Capri 25 and a Cat 320. Potentially the racer can decide to use the Capri on light air days and the 320 for the heavier air days. Points from racing the Capri and 320 count to the racers overall standing. I know this isn't really fair for poor folk who only own the Capri, but does anyone's club racing rules specifically dis-allow this scenario?

Fleet
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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 12/15/2011 :  07:01:17  Show Profile
wouldn't the racing points belong to the boat, not the captain? In that scenario then, then non-participating boat would receive 0 points (likely a penalty)

I have not raced a series, rather just temp crewed on a couple of Jboats.

(Like the hull on Kamikaze) *grrr*
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/15/2011 :  10:00:50  Show Profile
It would not work in our Club. First, you would have to enter both boats. Then whichever boat was not racing would be assessed penalty points as a DNC (did not compete) which would be 1 point more than the total number of boats in the fleet.
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Fleet
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Response Posted - 12/15/2011 :  12:07:06  Show Profile  Visit Fleet's Homepage
I don't think our club specify's whether the points are assigned to the skipper or the boat. I had always assumed it goes with the skipper. What happens if the Cat 320 is sailed throughout the season by three different skippers and that boat finishes in first place? Does the trophy go to the owner?
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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/15/2011 :  12:23:00  Show Profile  Visit SailCO26's Homepage
Scores go to the boat, any hardware goes to the person who registered the boat.
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klassi1
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Response Posted - 12/15/2011 :  15:12:12  Show Profile
I race two different boats. Points go to the boat. We decide which boat to campaign in each series or regatta. No switching. There are people who switch boats around but they are not after points or series awards. Just enjoying themselves racing with friends.
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Fleet
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Response Posted - 12/15/2011 :  19:45:19  Show Profile  Visit Fleet's Homepage
Ok, the points go to the boat. Now does your club sailing instructions declare that points stay with the boat or is it assumed?
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/16/2011 :  08:36:07  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
The boat wins the award, not the crew not the captain. The guy can sign up for as many fleets as he wants but the points stay with the boat. You can change your sails, your rigging, your crew, your skipper....but not your boat.

Rule 75.1 RRoS To enter a race, a boat shall comply with the requirements of the organizing authority of the race. --A boat enters a race not a person

Appendix A - A2 - Each boat's series score shall be the total of her race scores.... The boat gets scored.

There are many more examples such as this. Though it is not specifically stated, it is specifically implied. If you've ever taken a PRO class or have been in a protest room at a semi-major or major event it becomes apparent that ever last word in the rulebook counts.

The only time a crew gets a score is during one design regattas, usually match racing but not always, where boats are swapped out in between races.
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hwy61sail
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Response Posted - 12/16/2011 :  12:32:14  Show Profile
Interesting situation, as with all rules there are exceptions. As already stated, match racing involves swapping boats. Another situation that has occured also involves one-design racing. We had a situation where one boat incurred significant damage in one of the early races of the regatta. The damage prevented the boat from further partisipation. In this instance the owner arranged for a replacement boat (another Capri 25 that was idle), where they used the sails from the disabled boat.

Now the situation above was not protested, allowing the owner and crew to continue the event. I am not sure what the outcome would have been if a protest had occured, but I would like to believe that this type of assistence would be encouraged at the amateur level.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/16/2011 :  21:14:58  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
I've seen similar situations.... but all of those SHOULD require the head PRO, Race Management or other to sign off on the change. In one design racing the boats are supposed to be the same. In this instance the guy is sailing a good rating light air boat on light air days and a favorably rated heavy air boat on big wind days.

I think the crux of it is you should not intend to gain an advantage by switching out boats, keels, masts, ballast etc during a regatta or series.

You can tighten the shrouds and stays (in some classes during the race itself) You can switch sails (some fleets are more liberal than others with this). You can trim the sails or maybe raise the keel. But you can't swap out an entire boat, mast or keel.



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