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Rollins
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Initially Posted - 12/31/2002 : 21:16:19

The teak threshold in the companionway leading down into the cabin of my 1989 C25 is split all the way across. There is a brass plate over most of the teak; which looks nice, but concealed the split. It was that way when I bought the boat this past summer; but I only recently noticed it. Can this piece of teak be ordered from Catalina-Direct, or some other supplier? Or will I have to take the old one off, then craft one from blank wood?

Also, has anyone replaced the threshold with something other than teak? Mine appears to have cracked due to flexing when someone steps on it (just a guess). Would starboard or some other material work better?

Any ideas or suggestions appreciated,

Mike

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/31/2002 : 21:36:11

The companionway teak threshold is listed in the Catalina Direct catalog for $30.40.

You could craft a new one from stock teak, but it may not be worth the trouble due to the low price from CD(that's if the catalog price is still correct). I would give CD a call to verify the replacement cost and go from there.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Response Posted - 12/31/2002 : 22:57:55

Can your split threshold be repaired?

I've repaired cracks/splits in wood by securely clamping the wood(after gluing) and drilling holes through both pieces for dowel pins. If the crack has material missing or if it doesn't close all the way, you could fill it with epoxy, then apply a water resistant finish. The brass plate you have might cover any imperfections.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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OJ
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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 11:11:06

Resourcinol is a two part glue that works very well with teak.

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Rollins
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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 21:11:29

Don & Steve:

Thanks for the suggestions. I will call CD and check out a new threshold. If its only $30, I will probably replace it. But just for practice, I may go ahead and try to repair the old one once I get it off.

Again, many thanks, and happy new year.

Mike

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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 01:01:57

Your welcome and a Happy New Year to you, too.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 09:31:37

Mike: I suspect your suspicion that stress caused the crack is correct. If so, even the best glue is unlikely to hold it under the same stress, sun, rain, etc. That $30 price, if anywhere near true, is pretty good for a piece of teak that size--cut and shaped. My only concern with Starboard would be its slipperiness--and it ain't nearly as pretty. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 11:03:37

Dave brings up an interesting point concerning the threshold and vulnerability. The threshold is a U-shaped(when looking at it from the ends) piece that is only about 1/4" to 3/8" thick in the middle. The threshold appears to be handmade because to form the U-shape, there is evidence of repeated passes(freehand, side-to side) over a table saw to remove the material. This can leave a very rough uneven surface. This uneven surface prevents the threshold from laying flat and spreading loads over it's entire length. Additionally, the three screws securing this piece are all in a straight line which, if tightened down excessively, could cause the relatively thin, void filled teak threshold to split.

I think filling the void beneath the threshhold with a putty type bedding compound(Dolfinite?) would help fill the voids and spread the loads. This should help prevent splitting when the screws are tightened or as the threshold ages.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 11:25:58

<font color=blue>I think filling the void beneath the threshhold with a putty type bedding compound(Dolfinite?) would help fill the voids and spread the loads. This should help prevent splitting when the screws are tightened or as the threshold ages.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie
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Don is right ... there is a void between the threshold and the teak trim. My teak trim wasn't split, but it was loose. I took it off and found that there was some delamination underneath the step ... I filled it with wood putty (epoxy would probably be better), sanded it a bit, and reinstalled the teak step with the three screws from the cockpit side.

After getting the teak step tight, I felt underneath it on the cabin side ... there is a gap of about 1/2 inch or so between the hollowed-out teak step and the bulkhead. I put some spare teak trim in the gap and screwed three more screws into the teak step from the inside of the cabin ... that did the trick ... it's really sturdy now.

'Hope that helps ... good luck!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 12:23:05

<b>"I felt underneath it on the cabin side ... there is a gap of about 1/2 inch or so between the hollowed-out teak step and the bulkhead." - Buzz</b>

Buzz, brings up a an excellent point I forgot to mention. The void I was referring to in the earlier post was on the horizontal mating surfaces, the void Buzz is referrng to is on the vertical surface, which is due to the width of the U-shaped channel in the teak being about 1 1/2" wide and fitting over the 1" thick bulkhead threshold. This could leave, more or less, a 1/2" overhang that when stepped on could stress the threshold and crack it. On my boat, this overhang is on the outboard side of the threshold. Buzz's idea of filling the void is a good one to prevent this from breaking.

Thanks Buzz for watching my backside! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 12:24:30

Ours cracked a year or two back and we used a dado blade and a good ruler for measurments. After Playing around with some 50 cent pine to get it right, we had the the peice refabricated for under 12 bucks. After one season of weather, you can't even tell if its old teak or new...

dw

p.s. (added later) I filled the void with west system...

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 14:40:07

Hi all,

Just a thought...after I went to much trouble to refinish all the brightwork, and it was so purty, I found that I refrained from stepping on the threshold. My guests and crew followed suit, without my saying anything.

Happy New Year!

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958
Half Moon Bay, CA

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Rollins
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Response Posted - 01/15/2003 : 21:58:24

Again, I appreciate all the tips and have now printed them all for reference. I called Catalina Direct to order the $30.40 teak threshold in their catalog, only to be told that neither they, nor Catalina, have a template for the threhold anymore, and therefore could not send me a new one. They suggested taking it off and having a local woodshop fabricate one.

So as soon as the weather gets warmer (its 12 tonight!), I guess I'll be taking the old one off and heading for the woodworking shop. Fortunately, my father is a great woodworker, with every imaginable tool in his shop.

Wish me luck!

Mike Rollins

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