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Anchor bow roller? Ideas??

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jfesi
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Initially Posted - 01/01/2003 : 15:12:39

Anyone come up with a anchor solution to spare your back when retrieving an anchor from the drink? I see larger cruisers with built in bow rollers for their anchors, anyone ever modify their bow, or is there a dealer with such an item? Sure would make anchoring less of a challenge. Any ideas about easier anchoring is much much appreciated!!! Happy New Year!

Tropical Sleigh WB #619

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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 17:13:32

We had a 22' Hydro Sports that had an electric windlass on the bow. But I wouldn't put one on my 250. If your having trouble loosing the anchor from the bottom there are a couple of options. One would be to take the anchor line back to the jib sheet wench and use it for leverage. I've had to kedge my vessle out of the mud once and had the rode tighter than a piano wire that way. You can also pull the line tight and then cleat it and move to the crew to the stern to pull the anchor loose with a see-saw action of the hull.

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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 18:32:45

You can also take in any slack in the rode and then just motor forward until it breaks free.
(BTW - we once anchored in 60' of water in the Gulf of Mexico on the "Big Cat" and stripped the gears on the windlass trying to weigh anchor in 40 knot winds on the nose! We were using a 35lb Bruce, 25' of 3/4" chain and 400' of 3/4" line.)
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 18:36:59

A search of Davis Northnagel revealed the following.

I'd really like to put a bow roller on my boat, either for anchor storage or just to make getting the chain back aboard easier. Does anybody have any ideas or experience on this?

Tim

This has been done on the c250 by Davis Northnagel but I'm not sure if he posted the tech tip...if not, I likely can find the pics somewhere.... he did a great job.

Basically it consist of a tube of stainless bent in a curve which anchors above the rub rail to slugs under deck lip much in the same way as the chainplates on the water ballast. Embedded in the curve is a finished piece of hardwood. This supports the bow roller...

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Ray Seitz
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I ASKED THIS SAME QUESTION A WHILE BACK AND CONTACTED DAVIS. HE NOW OWNS A LARGER CATALINA, HOWEVER, HE DID SHARE SOME PICTURES AND DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO, WITH ME. I ASKED IF I COULD POST THEM IN THE 250 TECH TIPS FOR HIM AND HE SAID OK. I HAVE BEEN QUITE DELINQUENT IN GETTING THEM TO MARK M. I WILL TRY AND FOREWARD THE INFORMATION ON TO YOU. IF YOU DON'T GET IT E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY.

RAY

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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 19:24:50

Brad: you should have recieved an e-mail from me with the attached pictures of Davis's bow roller. Let me know if you didn,t.

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/01/2003 : 20:46:38

Ray, would you also send them to me....thanks

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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 01:16:44

If I'm not wrong I thought Catalina direct offers one.

Doug&Ruth
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River Harley
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 06:43:53

I purchased an anchor (the make of which I can't recall now) that was recommended by another boater. It's the danforth that is very lightweight but has a reputation for holding better that the usual galvanized steel or iron kinds. (I wish I could recall the make). Does anyone else know about it?

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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 06:45:36

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I purchased an anchor (the make of which I can't recall now) that was recommended by another boater. It's the danforth that is very lightweight but has a reputation for holding better that the usual galvanized steel or iron kinds. (I wish I could recall the make). Does anyone else know about it?

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Maybe it is called Vanguard

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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 07:52:56

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Ray, would you also send them to me....thanks <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Be happy to Arlyn. I will send it later this afternoon when I get home. I have mentioned to everybody that I have sent the pictures to, that I decided not to install the roller B/C it looks like it would interfere with the mast raising system now on the trailers for the C250.

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 08:29:27

The similar lightweight anchor to a danforth I think is called a fortress...

Ray, I agree that the anchor roller would not work on the later model trailer mast raising systems.

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Response Posted - 01/02/2003 : 20:55:57

Thanks for the input, if anyone has photos or ideas I too would appreciate photos/info/web site location. Thanks. The problem has not been as much the removal of a stuck anchor from the bottom as it has been the bringing of the anchor up out of the water, under the life line and doing so while trying to prevent the swinging of the anchor into the side of the boat, this with the balance of saving the crews "weak" backs. Thanks for any input!!! Happy Sailing!

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/04/2003 : 12:46:03

Drifting (no pun) into thoughts about lightweight anchors.

Fortress.. very lightweight high-tensile aluminum anchors.

They are supposed to be the "cat's meow", but one time on a friends boat I tried to set one while holding position in a very heavy current. The lightweight anchor turned into a huge 'fishing lure'.

I could see it flashing as it spun down in the water.

I don't believe it ever bit the bottom and we gave up on it. Likely if it had a lot more/heavier chain as a primary rode it would have worked, but my thinking is that if you need 20 lbs of chain to get the anchor down, why bother with a lightweight anchor in the first place?

In a sailing venue with heavy currents/dangerous situations (like mine), I think there's no replacement for mass. If you want a secure/safe anchorage you need to put up with the work in getting it off the bottom.

Perhaps a detachable stainless davit with an open block on the end would work well in keeping the anchor away from the boat during the last stages of retrieval. It's likely such a davit would be useful for other tasks as well.

My own plans are to get a "Bruce" or one of the new "Bruce knockoffs" as a primary anchor. The cruisers really seem to like them and the CQR plows/knockoffs best.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Response Posted - 01/04/2003 : 13:37:56

I've found the bruce clone usually superior to a danforth

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Response Posted - 01/07/2003 : 06:58:02

Arlyn & Brad (aka rochester) did you get the e-mail and attachments that I sent to you. I sent three out last week. Two to Brad, one at the e-mail address listed in the members section and one to the address listed above. One came back as undeliverable so I am wondering if any made it.

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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Response Posted - 01/07/2003 : 07:53:08

Ray, I received the email, but the pictures showed only as binary within the email. Try again and send as seperate attachements. Thanks

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Response Posted - 01/07/2003 : 18:42:29

Hi Ray I originally posted the bow roller question under the name rochester aka brad....don't know why I never was given another option when I joined the assoc. anyway I'm Tropical Sleigh WB619, I hail out of Sarasota FL, and my email is Sailgal@comcast.net If you can send me the bow roller info I'd really appreciate it. Take care

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Response Posted - 01/07/2003 : 20:45:01

Arlyn and rochester I have e-mailed the pics again (I hope).

Ray Seitz C 250WB #628 Sea Major

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