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redeye
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Initially Posted - 03/19/2012 : 05:38:58

I'm looking at adding a clutch. Jib Halyard.

Any recommendations?

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/19/2012 : 07:46:13

Spinlock XAS.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/19/2012 : 07:55:02

Thank You...

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 03/19/2012 : 12:24:25

Spinlocks are the gold standard... Be sure to pick the right one for your halyard diameter.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 03/19/2012 : 17:29:18

Try to have the halyard size you use be at 1 least size larger than the minimum size for the clutch. Some high-tech halyards have a hard outer braid and they can slip. I love Spinlock, I think our rigging size is right in their wheelhouse.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/20/2012 : 12:09:13

Looking at the 1/4 to 1/2 Part # xas0612/1 spinlock.

Using Halyard 10mm ( maybe 11mm ) I think... I gotta check again.
Some kinda super duper hard stuff.. non stretchie..

3/8 staset line is what is up there now.

I'm hoping I bought enough to make it back to the cabintop. I may actually have somebody put an eye in it.

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Response Posted - 03/20/2012 : 12:53:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 Using Halyard 10mm ( maybe 11mm ) I think... I gotta check again.
Some kinda super duper hard stuff.. non stretchie..

3/8 staset line is what is up there now.
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10-11mm seems a bit large. 8mm is about average and if you're using some high tech line, you could even go down to 1/4".

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 03/20/2012 : 17:36:18

This is my set up repeated on both sides with a winch on the port side (not shown).
[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/tech/tech25/tt008.asp"]Triple Rope Clutches on Peregrine[/url]
Hope this helps.

Underlined words are HOT links

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/20/2012 : 18:02:57

5/16" (8mm) is an excellent halyard size. You don't need them any bigger.

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Response Posted - 03/20/2012 : 18:37:22

question would you put the three-model that Peregrine uses if you only needed two now-planning for the future

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Response Posted - 03/21/2012 : 02:52:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sam001
 question would you put the three-model that Peregrine uses if you only needed two now-planning for the future
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I have triples on both sides.
On port I have main halyard, reefing and topping lift with a winch that means I can reef in less than a minute while underway and never leave the cock pit.
The starboard has the main outhaul and spin halyard.
Not leaving the cockpit makes single handing safer and easier (I'm lazy) IMO.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/21/2012 : 05:01:46

<< 5/16" (8mm) is an excellent halyard size. You don't need them any bigger. >>

I hate to admit it but I blanked on the size.. I'd guess I'm thinking about my dock lines..

I'm almost sure I'm using 5/16 (8mm) but I'd have to look at the line to be sure.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/21/2012 : 05:41:30

<< would you put the three-model >>

I would not .. I prefer to use a single cheek block that has less chance of catching my feets.. I got big feets..

I'm on a lake where we don't use a spinnaker.. just a drifter.

I don't like a lot of lines on the deck. I always take out of the marina on a port tack, so I'm gonna put a double on the port side.

And The Number one answer... As soon as I say I'm gonna do one thing.. I end up doing another...

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 03/21/2012 : 06:00:42

5/16" is the factory recommendation for halyards. 3/8" for sheets.

The clutches also serve to help keep the lines out from under the poptop when closing it. Mine keep getting pinched underneath, so I have to raise the top back up, move the lines clear, then close it again.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/21/2012 : 06:46:14

<< Mine keep getting pinched underneath, >>

Yepper.. I keep going through that in my head.. Looking at cutting the handholds up a notch, and leaving room for the lines to hang onto something other than the winch.

My head hurts a lot...

Thinking of velcro on the handhold.. We have a lot of photography products for holding cords.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 03/30/2012 : 11:36:09

Worked out well although it took some work.

70 feet of 5/16 line.

xas clutch

carbo 40 cheek block on deck.

external halyards.

Next ... the main halyard.

Thanks DavidP for the rec.. The clutch works and behaves great.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/18/2012 : 14:32:32

What length bolts did you use for securing it? I'm about to install one myself (as well as Lewmar #7 winches on each side of my cockpit). I bought 1-1/4" bolts, but I'm worried that they are probably going to be too short.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 07:01:37

I'm sorry, I can't remember. I bought 3 lengths and ended up using #10s because my 1/4 in and something was to short.

When I get to it this weekend I'll write it down.

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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 09:53:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 I'm sorry, I can't remember. I bought 3 lengths and ended up using #10s because my 1/4 in and something was to short.

When I get to it this weekend I'll write it down.

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That is my style which is why people come to me for hardware. LOL

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 10:53:12

I found that a mix of 1-1/2" and 2" bolts were necessary. The deck is thicker as it approaches the bulkhead. I installed a clutch, winch, and deck organizer in the port side.

The XAS is working great for me. This was also my first time using butyl instead of lifecaulk, and I really like working with it.

The starboard side of my boat has another spinlock device that isn't a real clutch, and it isn't nearly as nice to use.

I do wonder about using cam cleats for some lines like the reefing ones or topping lift. How do you choose when to use a clutch or cam cleat?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 10:58:28

<< How do you choose when to use a clutch or cam cleat? >>

Clutch when ya gotta as they cost toooo much mula. A cam cleat is even spensive.

Myself, I would only use clutches for halyards.

Lake Sailor...

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redeye
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 10:59:56

<< topping lift >>

The racing alum. clam cleat is neat.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 11:23:28

Bingo

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 12:07:35

Frank, you've got 4 different lines that can be on that side - what are they? Doesn't that overload the organizer? Or is it a 2x2?

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 12:36:52

His organizer looks like a 2+2.

I was also thinking about a 2+2 on my starboard side (right now it just has a 2 line deck organizer).

I think this is where I'm headed:
port: jib halyard, topping lift, vang (the latter two make sense together)
starboard: main halyard, tack reef, clew reef (those three make sense together), maybe outhaul

A 3 line Garhauer deck organizer just fit on my port side, it just took being careful with the positioning:

I think I put my winch a little too inboard and probably could have had the clutch sit a bit farther back:

However it works fine and I don't really want to move things and patch holes.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 04/23/2012 : 18:58:13

I used Harken organizers, four lines per side. Needless to say I had everything lead back; topping lift, outhaul, cuningham, three halyards, forward reef line, aft reef line, bow mounted crossbow.
I really liked the stacked Harkens.

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