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pastmember
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Initially Posted - 05/14/2012 : 10:45:47

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/25-Catalina-Swing-keel-sailboat-trailer-and-motor-/190676709130?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2c6537af0a"]'77 25 on ebay[/url]

I probably overstepped and emailed him that he was way over priced, what would you say to help him move his boat?

Frank Hopper

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 11:00:19

Why do you think it's overpriced? Looks very clean, has a tandem trailer, a 9.9hp 4 stroke, and spinnaker setup. Could only use some varnish and new lines.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 11:20:05

Mines a '78, paid $8900. It had nice brightwork, new cushions, spinnaker, and much more.
This one Looks clean---- but the teak work all has to be re-done, plus the
cushions need replacing badly since they're original, and who knows what else this one needs.
I say it's a fair price.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 11:24:40

I dunno Nauti...

The bow has been dinged up pretty good, the teak is weathered pretty hard, The pushpit is gone, only 1 cabintop winch, non-balanced rudder, interior shots show 3 different layouts (???)

You are right though, the trailer is nice.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 11:27:22

The pushpit was probably an option on the earlier models. My first boat didn't have one and I kinda like that.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 11:42:27

Could be Don. I would like to know the HIN# on it though. Maybe its #2 and Chuck could buy it and park it next to Confetti.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 12:00:52

I wouldn't say it is wildly overpriced, the price gives the buyer some negotiation room. If the sails are in great condition (it doesn't say) then it gives the buyer a pretty much ready to go boat.

However I live in Seattle and can say that based on CL there are a number of C-25s for sale right now. I personally don't see a trailer and swing keel as a big benefit here, but some people like them.

If you want overpriced this one has been listed on CL for the last month:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=2249038&ybw=&hosturl=gigharbor&&ywo=gigharbor&&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=980&url=&hosturl=gigharbor&&ywo=gigharbor&

$11,500, and under an hour's drive from the one that you posted about.

Ultimately it isn't my job to tell sellers what their boat should sell for though. The market will help them figure it out.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 12:26:47

^^^You're right about the market driving the prices down, but do WE have to do it too? I see it all the time here. Why would you??? Just saying...shooting ourselves in the foot.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 05/14/2012 12:28:23

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 13:29:46

Alex, you clearly missed the fact that the boat to which you linked included a) carpeting, b) vintage upholstry throughout, and c) a cover for the engine. Those easily justify the additional price.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 13:50:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If you want overpriced this one has been listed on CL for the last month: $11,500, and under an hour's drive from the one that you posted about<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Asking price. It's listed with a broker.....

My guess, selling price is about 8600.00

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 14:50:57

Dont' think anything with "vintage upholstery" is a positive. It's about 1500 bucks to re-do the upholstery--
I think is a must if you have a boat with this problem. LOL

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 15:38:40

I've been tempted to e-mail a seller or two in the past. Being at 1 day 18 hours and zero bids, I think he/she will get the message.

I will ask "innocent" questions about about questionable representations, like "Wow, nice shine! Is that gel coat or paint?"

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 16:47:07

I am glad so many have weighed in. I hope his boat sells.

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KiteKraemer
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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 16:51:57

I hope his boat sells too, but I don't think ebay is the forum for that; big
ticket items like that boat are best sold thru Craigslist or even this forum,

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 16:56:14

Wow--a ketch-rigged C-25 with a 1900# swing keel! That's one more mast and 400 more lbs. than standard, and could explain the price.

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 17:18:00

A lot of it has to do with your local market. Is the market saturated, say, in Annapolis/Baltimore or are you a captive audience on an inland lake? One of the reasons I've never bought locally. '

The boat will sell at the right price its market - that's the beauty (or risk) of ebay.

Edited by - OJ on 05/14/2012 17:48:31

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 18:36:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 I would like to know the HIN# on it though. Maybe its #2 and Chuck could buy it and park it next to Confetti.
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Hi Guys!!!

Back from a bit over a month in Japan visiting our youngest daughter and her husband (he flies F-15's, and is stationed on Okinawa). Boy, there have been a LOT of posts that have been made in the last 6 weeks!!!!!!

That boat looks to be in relatively good shape for a 77. Confetti's cushions are all still original equipment by the way, so I have a hard time saying too much bad about this boat's cushions! No way I would have it parked too close to Confetti however, it would make her look "old" if those pictures are anywhere recent!!! <grin>. But despite almost 36 years of pretty intense use, Confetti still sails well and is still seaworthy! I think of Gel Coat crazing and cracks as "age wrinkles" like I have <grin>. So in my book, I would wonder how well this boat has been maintained structurally and rig-wise, and then you look at cosmetics and how much you would spend to get it in whatever shape you deem "acceptable". Book values for older 25's are unfortunately not much however, so beauty is in the eye of the beholder! There is a fair amount of value in the trailer and motor.

Its not #2 since #2 and #3 were both 76's like Confetti and neither had antiskid that color. #2 was a swing keel however. I am partial to that color for Antiskid since it was the color of my Cat 27 (#920) antiskid.

Hope he is able to sell her to someone who will enjoy her!!

Cheers!

Chuck

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Response Posted - 05/14/2012 : 21:16:10

Confetti has a value that transcends everything we're talking about here--she's more like a candidate for the Smithsonian! The fact that she still terrorizes PHRF fleets at 36 years old just adds to the provenance--thanks Chuck! There could only be two more (or equally) important boats in Frank Butler's run: The C-22 hull #1 (1969), C-27 #1 (1970), and C-30 #1 (1974). I believe C-30 #1 is still going strong...

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 03:38:22

Personally, I would not tell him anything. Only interested people should be replying unless you personally know the guy. This is similar to putting an advertisement in the paper and getting a bunch of people making contact but not really interested. As of now, he has one day left before the auction ends. So, if he is still interested in selling thru EBay, he already knows what he has to do - he will have to lower the price or consider other means to advertise his boat to get some nibbles.

Depending on who is out there and serious about buying a sailboat, this guy has what appears to be a very clean boat and it has a trailer. These are two excellent selling points. A close-up inspection should be done but first impression is that this is a well kept boat and that may get him a bit more dough than other similar vintage sailboats that are on the market.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 05:59:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> terrorizes PHRF fleets <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yep Dave, She still does! Terrorized me and Tom just last week!

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 06:52:30

ditto Larry's comments: WHY do you need to say anything, unless you have a vested interest? Apart from our interest in that particular model. I've witnessed the same with other forums and people selling. Good luck to the seller

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 07:18:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 ^^^You're right about the market driving the prices down, but do WE have to do it too? I see it all the time here. Why would you??? Just saying...shooting ourselves in the foot.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Okay.....Wow! What a deal on that C25!!!! OMG, I can't believe how low the price is. She'll sell for sure...that boat should be priced at $15,000 easy....I should be able to sell mine for at least $21,000....I'd be a fool to accept any less. I mean really, a '77 swinger, with original cushions, scupper drains, fuel shelf in dumpster, vintage porta potty, weather worn teak, rare alcohol stove, unknown lifting system condition....I'm gonna say, ask $14,000 and go from there.

Seriously though, I hear what you're saying....but really, for the forum and association to have value, we have to be realistic about what the boats are really worth....and there is a wide gap between a '77 swinger, even with trailer/motor, and an '89 Winger....value and $$$ wise. He's got a day left....zero bids on $6900. I hope he sells it, I really do....but he is probably going to learn his price is too high. Best bet would be to start bids at $0 and put his price as a reserve...that way he'll at least be able to see what folks will bid up to if the reserve isn't met. He can then decide if ebay is the best medium to move the boat...or not....

Edited by - Joe Diver on 05/15/2012 07:19:15

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 09:25:42

Joe - Good comment ! Yeap - if he had put in a reserve vs indicating minimum accepted, then he would see if he gets some nibbles and what oothers are willing to pay. By indicating a minimum, he probably has stifled bids and not knowing if there are any serious individuals out there looking for his sailboat.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 12:44:21

Every one who owns a Catalina has a vested interest in seeing that sellers get the best price for thier boats because it helps keep the value high on all our boats.
"What would I tell him?"
Tell him how to spruce up the boat to get the best price.
If you see a place where he can improve the look or any outfitting that would bring a better price tell him it helps us all.
IMO We should never tell some one to lower their price we all hope he gets what he asks for. It is in all our interest to offer suggestions that will enhance his chances of selling for a good price.
One of the important things about this forum and membership in this association is that it helps enhance the value of our boats.
At some time all of us will need to sell our boats. We own terrific boats and sailors need to know how great they are.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2012 : 12:46:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/25-Catalina-Swing-keel-sailboat-trailer-and-motor-/190676709130?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2c6537af0a"]'77 25 on ebay[/url]

I probably overstepped and emailed him that he was way over priced, what would you say to help him move his boat?
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I really wish you not had done that see my post above.
You no longer own a Catalina we do.

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