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bear
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Initially Posted - 05/28/2012 : 13:11:59

Went too pull jib up on "Brandy" last week and it would go no further than half way. First time raising jib this year. CDI system.
Got sail down and could raise and lower Halyard traveler at will. Of course mast is raised and rigged. Any ideas or fixes appreciated. Luff tape appears to have no bulges etc. Entire mast, boat were under tarp all winter.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 05/28/2012 : 15:57:31

I'd check the masthead sheaves. One could be broken or frozen, or, if a wire halyard, it might have jumped out of the sheave.

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Novi
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Response Posted - 05/28/2012 : 17:44:25

I had the same issue with my CDI. The one thing I found is that the halyard and little plastic traveler move much better if the furler foil is turned abeam rather than lining it up fore and aft when raising or lowering the sail. I dont know it the root issue is the sheave being better aligned or the weight of the sail was pinching the track somehow but if I keep the foil lined up at 3 & 9 everything moves smoothly.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 05/28/2012 : 17:48:07

Is there something blocking the furler foil slot clear?

Paul

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bear
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Response Posted - 05/28/2012 : 18:09:24

Paul, I can move the plastic traveler up and down the whole length of travel with sail removed. This mast and furler was was covered the whole off season up here. Had no reason to suspect blockage, never heard of this issue before. Sail is only 3 years old, foil appears not to be crunched up. Going to try again Wednesday, bad storms expected in upstate New York tomorrow. Will write back with results from Wednesday. Will try 3 and 9 positions also.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/28/2012 : 20:11:30

Could you tie the CDI halyard to a sail slug that fits in the groove and raise the slug all the way up? That will tell you if it is the groove or if the problem is something else like some part of the line (perhaps where it goes from cored to non-cored) getting caught somewhere like the top sheeve.

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bear
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Response Posted - 05/28/2012 : 22:13:08

That's a good idea Randy, I was also thinking about changing the first slug on the sail. When the sail wont be pulled up anymore it feels like a real hard stop. You continue pulling on the traveler messenger line and you can feel the lines stretching but not releasing. But with the sail removed and extended messenger lines I can move the small traveler the complete length of travel. I'll go back out Wednesday in a better frame of mind.

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Response Posted - 05/29/2012 : 10:33:43

Slugs? CDI Headsail furler? Mine doesn't have slugs. I assume you checked the point where the sail enters the foil to be sure it's not simply the sail binding at the entry point. If the line slides all the way to the top, I would think the sail would simply follow it.

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bear
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Response Posted - 05/29/2012 : 14:55:57

My error John, I was thinking of changing out a couple of slugs on the main sail. I do have an extra slug and will rig something up tomorrow to move slug entire length of groove. I did have help when we first tried to raise the jib and he was guiding foil into groove.

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Response Posted - 05/29/2012 : 17:59:47

'Plastic traveler '???

On our CDI furler, the halyard fits inside the front slot and the sail's bolt rope fits in the aft slot.
There is no traveler for the sail(aft) slot.

There is a ferrule on the jib furler halyard that ensures it stays in the front slot while raising/lowering.

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Paul

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 05/29/2012 : 18:03:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 'Plastic traveler '<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Based on discussions I've had with CDI, I believe that there was a design change in the FF4 from a plastic traveler to a metal ferrule.

There are also some other sizes that still do have a plastic traveler.

So I'll let the OP answer this for himself, but if he confirms that he has a plastic traveler, you now have your explanation why.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/30/2012 : 07:11:53

It just occurred to me. You didn't happen to attempt to haul the sail up with the wrong end of the halyard did you? Don't ask why that occurred to me.

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bear
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Response Posted - 05/31/2012 : 10:54:38

Well the other C250 owner at my marina came over and gave me a hand yeterday. I cranked the backstay in to put a lot of tension on the jib track, turned the groove and traveler to 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock
started pulling the sail up and up it went, go figure. THANX for all the help and ideas.

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