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Interiors, Tradional vs. Dinette

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lcharlot
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Initially Posted - 01/15/2003 : 08:51:16

Does anyone know if there are any '88-'90's that were made with the Dinette interior? I heard somewhere that all of the '88-90's are Tradional. I will probably be shopping for one in a few months, as soon as I can sell my current boat and save some money. I will be looking for a WK/SR, 4-stroke outboard (hopefully a Yamaha 9.9 HT), porta-potti (don't want the maintenance hassles of a built-in MSD), and prefer Dinette if there were any produced. For a while, I was thinking of doing the swing-to-wing conversion on my '79, but the cost-benefit ratio doesn't look attractive, and my current trailer would need extensive (and expensive) modifications.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 01/15/2003 : 12:46:08

The broshure on this web site seems to indicate that the dinette was not offered as an option. I have an '88 wing/tall rig w/o the dinette.

Al
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 01/15/2003 : 17:37:04

Hi Al,

I'm going to survey an 89 wing/tall rig this weekend, and if in good shape, buy it. Since you have essentially the same boat design, at least I think you do, flat floor, new stern pulpit, and clear forward hatch, right? Do you have any quick advice on things to look out for in this style of 25?

thanks, and wish me luck

Frank Gloss
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/15/2003 : 19:39:21

I might be a little biased since I have a dinette interior, but out of the three interiors, this one fits me and my family the best. My girls favorite spot in the boat is the relatively large lounge that is formed when the table is down and the cushion is in place.
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df34b3127cce939725fcc8d30000001410" border=0>

Here, they have plenty of room to stretch out comfortably and read, play, color, sleep, use their Gameboy's...etc.

With the table up we can still manuever around without disturbing those at the table.
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2d904b3127cce9f7cda349f4f0000001410" border=0>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
C25 SR/FK
Cradled on the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/15/2003 : 20:43:19

<b>"...don't want the maintenance hassles of a built-in MSD..." - Larry</b>

Okay, I'll bite. What maintenance hassles are you referring to? I've had both a porta potty and fixed head, and the easier of the two by far, has been the fixed head.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Doug
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Response Posted - 01/15/2003 : 21:19:11

I agree with Don. When we started looking to move up from our C22 I said I wanted a porta potti and an outboard. Didn't want the hassles of engine or sanitation systems built into the boat. Ended up with a C25- no engine of course, but there's a head. Love the head. Can't ever see going back to a porta potti.

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 01:24:11

When I owned Wind Lass I enjoyed the room the traditional interior gave me. I could make the main cabin into a queen sized bed at night. When we had guests the dinning area was great. The kids favorite spot was the V burth area where they could close the screen and listen to their music etc. The only draw back of the traditional was making the table not woble when only open half way (Not folded)<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2d906b3127cce9f65e7dece010000001410" border=0><img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2d610b3127cce905ebc4b82f50000001410" border=0>1st pic is NOETA 2nd pic is Wind Lass

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 06:40:31

Hi Doug and Ruth,

Great picture of you enjoying your boat.

How did you convert your cabin to a queen size bed at night? Did you you use your table as a platform?

Frank
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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 08:37:43

What I meant by "Maintenance hassles of a built-in MSD" was the inevitable day when the holding tank or the plumbing becomes plugged, or malfunctions in some way, and has to be opened and manually cleaned out (eeewwwwwww!). One of the people in our sailing club had this happen on his Islander 36, and the job was about as horrible as you could imagine. He had to scoop out 6 gallons of sludge from the holding tank into a bucket, then carry that to the marina bathroom and dump it.
Another problem for us here in Sacramento is that to the best of my knowledge there are no pump outs at Folsom Lake, which is where I will be keeping my boat again when I eventually get to the top of the waiting list for a slip. Most boats at Folsom Lake are 16'-22' size range, too small to have MSD's, so the marina has dump stations for porta-potties instead. There is one Catalina 270 at the lake, which I assume has an MSD, and I don't know how they handle it. Maybe he has to pump it out into buckets and carry it to the dump station.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 11:43:30

Larry and all,

My club has a dump out tanak that is wheeled to the boats at dock and used to pump out either a fixed or portapotty. Then you take it back to the dump stqtion, behind the club, and the honey dipper comes and cleans out the dump station periodically.

BUT, your friend the 36's problem (Uck) is sufficient for me to say I'd prefer the portapotty, which is what osmepneo has. If it ever gets like you discribed, it time for new portapotty!

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 13:38:29

To make my traditional interior into a queen size bed was very easy. If you look carefully at the picture I posted with the blue carpet you can see a small lip or ridge of wood trim along the wooden seat cushion retainers. The original wood that is along the seats has this additional trim screwed to it. Actualy I used the original holes for the wood and added longer screws and then a few additional screws. I measured between each side (side to side between the seats) and made 5 or 6 pieces of pine 3/4" X 12" by the width needed. When I wanted to make the bed I put the pine boards down between the seats and put all the cushions on top of them. Sisde to side was just over 6'6". I later on bought a queen size air matress and used it. It fit great.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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MattL
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 14:51:51

Doug,
were the pine boards strong enough? I mean didn't they bow alot with such a wide span? Also where did you store them? (At home and just bring for week enders, and then keep them on the floor right there?
I am planning a trip next month and would love to get set up for a larger bunk.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Cat 25 86'
FK/SR _/)

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 17:17:57

The boards suported my weight without a problem and Im a heavy 240lbs. The span isnt that big but use 3/4"

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 01/16/2003 : 19:01:58

That's a great idea for a bed. If I buy the 89 wing I'm looking at this weekend I'll have to put that job near the top of the list.
On my catalina 22 I attached two strips of 1/2" x 3/4" wood along both sides of the cockpit benches, and made two pieces of plywood to fit. Then I could make a large platform in the cockpit for sleeping out under the stars, which I like to do. I just used my Therma-rest camping pads. I slept out under the stars last spring while anchoring out in the Keys. Very nice.

Frank

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rcraig
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Response Posted - 01/17/2003 : 08:51:45

Was in the forum 'neighborhood' and had to toss in my two cents. Looked at 25's for probably a couple of years before stumbling across the deal that got me to buy. It is a '77 w/ the L-shaped dinette to port.

After looking at both the traditional & dinette interiors, the decision was made to go for the traditional. More open space below while underway, better access to galley, etc. But then the L-shaped came available, that was actually best of both worlds. You still have the galley end open, but also have a 'fixed' seating area against the bulkhead. Don't really know why this style was not continued. At least for us, this was the optimum way to go.

As for heads, the removed porti-potty is resting comfortably out behind the garage while the new fixed head system is being installed. Again, given all the pro's & con's, the fixed (w/ tank) seemed the best option. My area (So Cal) has enough pump out facilities & the system is simple enough that 'incidents' should be realtively few (hope hope hope hope) Plus the thought of lugging a porti holding tank up to the bathroom after a fine day of sailing didn't hold a lot of lure either.

I know both, interior & head, are very personal choices, but being overly anal & logical by nature, these are the conclusions I have come to.

Fair winds & best of luck on your search & purchase.

Richard C
77 FK/SR

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 01/17/2003 : 14:13:00

"Quiet Time" is a '79 with the L-shaped dinette. To make a queen size bed out of the dinette, I attached a long strip of Oak 1x2 to the starboard side settee, just below the level of the dinette table, then cut a pice of 3/4" plywood 5' long, just wide enough to span the gap between the dinette table and settee. The plywood filler board has a 1" x 1" x 5' aluminum angle attched to it that hangs the filler board on the table edge. The filler board stows upright next to the porta potti against the bulkhead with a bungee cord across it a foot below the top. To complete the bed, I made a new cushion, same size as the filler board, using the same thickness of foam as the other cushions and same upholstery fabric (I have a bunch left over from re-upholstering the OEM cushions in 1999). This modification can also be adapted to the dinette on Catalina 22's, which I did on my old '86 C-22 "Summertime Dream". It was really the only way I could sleep on that boat. I am 6'2" and the V-berth on a C-22 is just impossibly small for someone my size. On "Quiet Time", the dinette bed is just as comfortable as sleeping in my own bed at home, it is especially nice to be able to stand up first thing in the morning and have a stretch and look-aound without having to crawl out of a V-berth or quarter berth (also known as "the stern torpedo tube").

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA

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