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blanik
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Initially Posted - 08/15/2012 :  06:22:30  Show Profile
hi, i'm in the process of bringing all lines to the cockpit, i'm buying cam cleats and blocks (i've already put the mast base plate this spring) the only thing i'm still not sure about is how to remove the winches from the mast and put them on the roof?

and can i do this with the mast up?
1984 C25 FK/SR #4593
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  07:26:38  Show Profile
I did this project last year and, aside from my furler, it was the best time and effort spent on my boat. Removing the winch is fairly straight forward. There is a small clip around the hole for the winch handle. Remove this and the drum should pull right off. Be sure to have something to catch the tiny parts like pawls and springs that will want to jump out of there when the drum is removed. One idea would be to cut a hole in a box and put it over the winch before you remove the drum.

I did not mount the winches on the coach roof. I find I am able to raise the main sufficiently - but it is a bit more effort that I would like. I may undertake the mounting over the winter.

Oh - and no need to drop the mast for this. Winches are held to mast with machine screws.
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  10:16:16  Show Profile
Why cam cleats instead of Spinloc clutches?
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blanik
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  10:53:48  Show Profile
wrong choice of words (english is my second language) i meant clutches! :-S

i've seen pictures of masts without the winches but the wooden bases where still there, do i need to leave those?

will the parts inside the winch come out ?! i thought you would need a puller or something, i don't want to have to reassemble the whole winch! :-S
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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  11:06:30  Show Profile
I was afraid the first time I took one apart, but found they are not difficult to service at all. Assuming you have lewmar 6 or 7 winches, you can expect to see the following:



Yes, some of the parts may fall out when you remove the drum. If they don't you are going to want to remove them anyway and give everything a good cleaning and lubrication. Youtube has some good videos on winch maintenance.
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  19:20:40  Show Profile
Shoe box held under the winch to catch parts. The pawls are spring loaded, and the springs will fall out. Remember when you reassemble that oil goes on the pawls and grease goes on the shaft. I have used the same Lewmar lube kit for years and winches on lots of boats.
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  21:42:43  Show Profile
is it hard to figure our how to reassemble them? :-/
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rrick
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Response Posted - 08/15/2012 :  22:03:54  Show Profile
A healthy coat of grease (and oil where Frank mentioned) helps hold the parts together during assembly.
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awetmore
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Response Posted - 08/16/2012 :  06:50:31  Show Profile
The wooden block was trivial to remove from my mast after removing the winch. I think it was just held in place with one more bolt.

I find it very difficult to get the right luff tension on my jib without the winch. It is possible to get it raised, but without enough tension the draft isn't in the right place and the luff looks wrong. The main can be tensioned using the downhaul, so the winch isn't as necessary...but once you have the winch mounted you might as well use it.
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Response Posted - 08/16/2012 :  11:06:06  Show Profile
1. Carefully prise off circlip.
2. Remove top plate and lift off drum.
3. Remove and clean the drum bearings.
4. Remove the spindle by easing out the retaining key, clean, regrease and refit.
5. Remove, clean and inspect the four pawls located in the drum, replace as necessary and lubricate ith light oil.
6. Lightly grease the two rachet tracks and the bearing surfaces. Reassemble Winch in reverse sequence.

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blanik
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Response Posted - 08/16/2012 :  12:52:35  Show Profile
and for those who did the switch, did you just screwed the winches (with proper bedding of the holes) on the roof or did you had to make some sort of wooden flat base? that matched the roof shape?
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Response Posted - 08/16/2012 :  14:23:31  Show Profile
Straight to the cabin top, big washers inside.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/16/2012 :  15:17:43  Show Profile
When my PO moved the jib winch to the cabin top, he (she?) put the winch screws back in the mast rather than leave 6 holes open. Looked fine and just as well because bolts were needed to mount the winch on the cabin top.
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rrick
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Response Posted - 08/16/2012 :  17:37:57  Show Profile
I read somewhere extruded aluminum masts like ours loose very little strength even with hundreds of holes. You can tap and install some short machine screws if you like (add some corrosion inhibitor if you ever want to remove them in the future)
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