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BCG-Woodbury
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Initially Posted - 10/25/2012 : 20:41:37

What is the going rate per foot to apply the Sunbrella to a standard jib? I have a 150% Genoa but I find me self furling it back because it is too much to handle alone. The standard jib would be better but mine is bare and I can't leave it out in the sun without the UV strip. I figured it would be a good thing to get done over the winter.

Brian & JoAnne Gleissner
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/25/2012 : 21:04:14

Are you sure it's "bare"? It's not uncommon to have about a 6" strip of treated Dacron, which looks just like the sail cloth. I don't think it lasts quite as long, but it helps. That's what was on mine when I bought the boat, and after 7-8 years, it was deteriorating. I suspect Sunbrella would have lasted longer, but I don't know by how much.

Adding a Sunbrella strip tends to be pretty expensive from what I found--I think I was quoted over $500 about 10 years ago. I suspect it has something to do with a lot of waste (or surplus) material from the long piece that it's cut from. I think it's less expensive on a new sail--probably because volume sail-making operations make better use of the surplus.

Another option is a "jib sock" that you pull up with a halyard. CD offers these for a little less than getting a strip, but personally I'd go for the strip. (Less labor-intensive for the sailor.)

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BCG-Woodbury
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Response Posted - 10/25/2012 : 21:18:32

Thanks Dave, good point. I'll check the jib this weekend. The 150 works well when I have the crew but even then it is a chore to get it around the shrouds. I was thinking about sliding a length of PVC pipe ofer the two forward shrouds to allow the genny the slide by easier, any thoughts on that? It appears the bare shrouds can hang up the jib and cause more wear than I would like to see.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2012 : 03:09:20

Dave is right about it being approximately $500 on a 150% Genoa. Last Fall, I had my Dacron UV strip removed and a Sunbrella strip sewed onto my Quantum 150 Genoa and I think the cost was around $500, maybe a bit less. The work was done by Quantum in Annapolis, MD and as they are one of the big names, it is likely you could do better on the price perhaps from a local sailmaker.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2012 : 03:29:32

I went with the sock from a company called ATN. http://www.atninc.com/atn-genoa-sleeve-sailing-equipment.shtml

Yes it costs me an extra combined 5-7 minutes taking down and putting it back up, but well worth it. I don't remember exactly how much it was, but it was less than $500 to include shipping. I like it because it doesn't add the extra weight to the sail, and yes, the strip of sunbrella adds weight. The other downside of sunbrella is taking it down and paying every 3-5 years to have it re-stiched (that timeframe is based on up 24/7/365 in FL).

Brian, can take and post picture if you want.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2012 : 03:54:08

Added bonus to the sock, the jib is still in the roller, even with Sandy blowing by. I have no worries about the jib un-rolling in the 30-40 knot winds we're expecting.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2012 : 03:55:49

I had the white UV strip replaced with sunbrella and some minor repairs made a year ago for $360.00. Work was done by Mariner sails in Dallas. They were quick-only took about a week. My forward shrouds have 6â€™ of Â¾ white PVC pipe over them. That seems to work well.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2012 : 19:52:40

I'm in the same situation needing that UVA protection On my genoa and will get the ATN sleeve if my wife increases my allowance one day. Make sure you check out the video on the above link, it looks like a sweet set up. I plan on having a jib converted for use on my CDI furler some time soon also and figure the sleeve will get multi use that way too. Just my gut feeling but I think I'd trust this sleeve in reall nasty wind more so than just a furled headsail but I'm new to having the luxury of roller furling, so the experts need to chime in on that note.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2012 : 21:23:51

Brian,
There's a great sail maker here in Stratford, who is part of Neil Pryde.

Sutton Sail Repair, 1681 Barnum Ave, Stratford, CT. Tel: 203-380-0554.

i don't represent Gene Sutton in any way, but I was very pleased by his work.

Sutton replaced my strip last spring for $400. Did a beautiful job.

He usually gets into the store around 7:30AM during the week.

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Response Posted - 10/28/2012 : 07:31:14

I use a jib sock, Yes it takes a few minutes to put on when putting the boat away but the benefits to it are that your sail will be much lighter without a UV strip and will stay full in light air. The UV strip will never last as long as the sail will presenting you with the costly replacement dilemma. It wont unfurl in the wind. I got it here http://www.leesailcovers.com/Jib_Sock.php Cost @$230 for 28ft. I doubt I would ever buy a sail with a UV cover again. You will need a spare halyard to hoist it.

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Response Posted - 10/28/2012 : 16:52:29

Thanks for the great tips. I just scored a sail cover for my main on eBay for $70 new so I guess I'll be changing my canvas color scheme to "Toast" now. Bruce, I've spoken with Sutton and they get $8-$9/ft. to apply the Sunbrella on the jib. I'll look into a sock, how does it stow when you are sailing? I've seen them on but am a little fuzzy on the jib operation with one.

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Response Posted - 11/01/2012 : 22:53:08

I was talked out of a jib sock because the loft I asked was never satisfied with a design that doesn't flap around and get destroyed at the same rate the sewn UV strips are replaced. I call BS on Sunbrella waste. Isn't everyone's sacrificial material sewn on as 10, one yard strips?

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Response Posted - 11/02/2012 : 11:15:13

RRick - I'm not sure but most bolts of cloth are 45"-54" so most likely would be done in the pieces end-to-end like you indicated. BS of the waste as well. I know they also use adhesive in addition to stitching when they apply it. I think the labor is a big part of the cost as there is a good deal of cutting, sewing, and gluing.

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Response Posted - 11/02/2012 : 11:41:46

If I were sewing on my own protection strip I'd do it that way. I'd assume that lofts would cut out long thin strips to avoid having so many sections spliced together.

The sock makes sense to me if you will have multiple headsails for performance purposes, especially if you regularily use a very large lightweight genoa and don't want to weigh it down with the protection strip. I miss having multiple headsails for my new boat and will probably go in that direction someday. Having a heavy 110% and a light 140% genoa would make me think about a sock instead of a sunbrella strip. Since my new boat came with fairly new sails I have a long time before I need to worry about this.

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Response Posted - 11/02/2012 : 11:56:44

The hanked on headsail bag is a nice idea.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2012 : 11:30:15

I just went through this with Sailorstailor. I thought I wanted to go with a sock, but was convinced otherwise. Basically, he felt like a light, easily compressible sock won't last as long as strip, and a more durable sock is stiff, bulky and heavy; it also, of course, requires another line to the masthead. He strongly recommended dacron for a strip because the physical properties of the fabric is similar to the sail. Bonded and stitched (they use Tenera thread that has a lifetime UV guarantee on everything they build) dacron doesn't degrade sail shape as much as the stiffer, heavier acrylic and adds strength due to the bonding. That was the gist of his explanation, and they convinced me

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Response Posted - 11/03/2012 : 18:38:18

Dave - Would adding Dacron be any cheaper that Sunbrella? I guess it would be lighter. I was thinking that if my jib needs it anyway, I'd match the color of the mainsail cover which is not "Toast" due to a great eBay score for $70.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2012 : 15:37:42

No, it is about the same. It can cost a little more or a little less than acrylic depending on how it is done.

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Response Posted - 11/04/2012 : 19:02:33

So I guess the only real advantage is the added weight of the Sunbrella over the Dacron. I'd be doing this on my standard jib, my 150 already has the Pacific Blue stripe.

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Response Posted - 11/05/2012 : 05:14:48

As I indicated in my earlier posting, I replaced my Dacron UV strip with Sunbrella.

As indicated in other postings, there is benefit to using a sock.
Since I did not go that route, I just wanted to make a few addl comments about the decision regarding utilizing a UV Dacron or Sunbrella strip/cover.

My experience has been that the UV Dacron cover is much better in light winds, the Sunbrella is notieably heavier and rolls up a bit more bulky on a furled rig. However, there are some drawbacks to a UV Dacron cover. The Dacron UV covers are really not that UV resistant and not that durable. It will deteriorate quicker than a Sunbrella cover which s much more resistant to UV and weather conditions in general. If you get a Dacron UV cover out of what is genrally furnished - white, if you live in an area that experiences some or a lot of rain contaminants, that white Dacron cover will in a short period of time become dirty white and will not look so hot of that is a concern for you. if not, then no big deal.

In my case, my marina is directly across the river from Natl Reagon airport. I get significant rain contamination with a marina in both an urban/city/DC area and close to an airport with it's own contaminant issues. My sails/UV cover last summer were about 3 years old and after sailing thru very windy conditons last summer, the Dacron UV cover suffered a 4" rip and was a hideous....more black than white cover....well let's call it dark grey. I had both sails off last winter whle my boat bottom was waterproofed and I brought them into Quantum for inspection and cleaning. Quantum inspected the contaminant on the dacron UV cover and indciated it could not be cleaned since it had an oily/fuelly residue. They also estimated it had only about a year left of life due to UV contamination/wear. I went with replacing it with Sunbrella matl.

Yes - Sunbrella is definitely heavier matl. But the Pacific Blue Main Sail cover I have had for past 6+ years looks fine. I know it also has contaminant on it but it does not show !! Okay, I know it is there but still looks almost like new and will last for many , many more years. That is why I went with similar Sunbrella fabric for the furled sail UV Cover.

But....the sock that some have used sounds good. A Dacron UV or Sunbrella strip also somewhat protects the lower edge of the furled sail when it crosses over the stanchions/lifelines. But I could see the benefit of the sock and suspect it costs a lot less than getting a UV cover replaced. Something to consider, toehrwise - Go with Sunbrella unless rain contaminants, etc not a concern in your area...and a lighter weight furling sail is important to you - Then Dacron UV cover.

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