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Davy J
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Initially Posted - 10/29/2012 : 05:23:23

17 crew have abandoned ship.

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2012/10/29/coast-guard-monitoring-tall-ship-in-distress-off-north-carolina-with-17-aboard/

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 06:07:11

According to this report it sank....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/29/ns-hms-bounty-hurricane-sandy.html?cmp=googleeditorspick

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 09:00:11

Very sad that there is possible loss of life. Word is the two missing are in survival suits, so I can only imagine what they, and the search crews, are battling right now....

I've read reports that the ship was in very poor repair. It needed alot of work they simply did not have the money for, and even restricted their sailing somewhat because of it.

With possible loss of life, possible poor shape.....and questions about why the crew was caught in a storm we've been watching for more than a week.....I'll bet some owners and insurance people are scrambling right now.

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szymek
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 09:31:28

My prayers are with the 2 crew members that are out there right now missing.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 12:53:29

Coast Guard video of rescue of the crew of HMS Bounty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDlc1slA8PA

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 14:42:05

Awesome video. I flew Navy SAR for 7 years, though never had to do a rescue in those wind and sea conditions.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 15:49:21

Amazing rescue work! (From the lift operator: "I think I threw out my shoulder.")

I've been reading forecasts on Sandy for how long now? ...and they set out from CT for St. Petersburg, FL, meeting the storm off Cape Hatteras, the Graveyard of the Atlantic... Sounds like the Captain's brain was in "very poor repair."

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 16:09:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Amazing rescue work! (From the lift operator: "I think I threw out my shoulder.")<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Very impressed with all that is going on, all at the same time. In particular, the woman you hear, occasionally, giving the reports about the condition of the sea state.

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philagnes2003
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Response Posted - 11/08/2012 : 16:54:40

I toured this boat during the tall ship festival in Greenport NY. She was a beauty, and I thought in very good condition. Shame for the lose of life, must haven been very scary.

Hats off to the CG

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redviking
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Response Posted - 11/08/2012 : 21:43:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Amazing rescue work! (From the lift operator: "I think I threw out my shoulder.")<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Very impressed with all that is going on, all at the same time. In particular, the woman you hear, occasionally, giving the reports about the condition of the sea state.
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The womans voice is computer generated... Amazing equipment... Love those guys and gals!

Sten

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 11/09/2012 : 06:29:26

The altitude warning is computer generated, but if you listen closely there is another voice, she is counting down the seconds until the next wave will crest on the swimmers position. Great job.

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binky
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Response Posted - 02/08/2013 : 11:53:19

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/01/coast-guard-hold-hearing-hms-bountys-sinking

Coast Guard to hold hearing on HMS Bounty's sinking. Hearing starts on Monday, Feb 11, 2013 in Portsmouth.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/08/2013 : 15:05:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by philagnes2003
 I toured this boat during the tall ship festival in Greenport NY. She was a beauty, and I thought in very good condition.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I have a good friend who builds and restores wooden boats (up to big schooners). He knew all about the construction of the Bounty, and said it was built to be blown up and burned--cheap materials and substandard construction, cosmetically enhanced for the movie cameras. The decision not to blow her up was made later. I won't go into what he had to say about that captain...

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/08/2013 : 17:15:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by philagnes2003
 I toured this boat during the tall ship festival in Greenport NY. She was a beauty, and I thought in very good condition.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I have a good friend who builds and restores wooden boats (up to big schooners). He knew all about the construction of the Bounty, and said it was built to be blown up and burned--cheap materials and substandard construction, cosmetically enhanced for the movie cameras. The decision not to blow her up was made later. I won't go into what he had to say about that captain...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What did the movie production do, get a variance from the coastguard?

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/08/2013 : 21:31:00

Brando refused to finish the movie if they blew it up. And everyone knows he was a master seaman! Ralph Nader it is what they shoulda done so many years ago... I doubt they will say anything bad about the dumbass captain given that he offed himself in the process.

Sten

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binky
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Response Posted - 02/08/2013 : 21:58:45

I hope to attend some of the hearing, if it's not closed. I think it would be interesting to see what happened from the crews perspective....and not from a reporters synopsis.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/09/2013 : 05:36:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by binky
 I hope to attend some of the hearing, if it's not closed. I think it would be interesting to see what happened from the crews perspective....and not from a reporters synopsis.
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Ah yeah, good luck with that. The crew did appear on GMA and they were all, well, let's just say this, I now know where the expression "motley crew" comes from. There was no insight, no new info, nothing. They all stuck personal items in their survival suits like teddy bears.... Aaaarrrrgggghhh! Made me sick to watch the lot of them.

Coasties should come to the conclusion that it was wrong ship, wrong place, wrong captain if you can call him that.

Sten

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/11/2013 : 21:44:26

Any news? I read in the paper that Jan Miles, captain of the Pride of Baltimore was mystified by what Captain Failure Walbridge was thinking and was scheduled to testify that Walbridge knew he was headed toward an unpredictable hurricane moving faster than his ship.

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2013/02/11/280797.htm

Sten

Oops, hearings start today, Tuesday...

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binky
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Response Posted - 02/12/2013 : 10:37:14

Live video of hearing can be viewed at this news site. http://www.wavy.com/dpp/military/coast_guard/hearings-begin-on-hms-bounty-investigation

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/12/2013 : 12:20:01

So far it looks like a manslaughter case to me, not only for the deceased Skippy person, but also for the long haired hippy first mate. Hang em! They didn't seek other berths as another tall ship did, they didn't plot the course of the hurricane before departing, nor did they pull down grin files until after departing. Even those of us on little 40 foot sailboats do that. Satan has a new bunkie! The owner plead the fifth which speaks volumes.

Sten

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/12/2013 : 16:28:10

Jan C Miles, Captain of the Pride of Baltimore had a lot to say...

http://m.facebook.com/jancameron.miles.5?id=100004091153514&_rdr#!/note.php?note_id=174315806048123&__user=590428573

Sten

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/12/2013 : 22:42:39

"...a lot to say" is right! But I'd say he got it right.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/12/2013 : 23:23:48

Read this:

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/Sunk-The-Incredible-Truth-About-a-Ship-That-Never-Should-Have-Sailed.html?page=all

Sten

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 02/13/2013 : 08:36:37

Thanks Sten - that was an interesting read! I hate to say it but it strikes me that having that ship at the bottom of the ocean is much better than having it sailing in the Gulf of Mexico with disabled kids and their families. I don't even want to imagine how much more tragic this ship's inevitable end could have been.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/13/2013 : 10:05:07

Wow! That's quite a read! It's clearer than ever to me that Waldbridge had lost his perspective entirely, and his judgements suffered accordingly, on just about every level. Much of that article confirms what my boat-building friend said about Waldbridge, and what he told me about the original construction probably explains a lot of what's in that dreadful story.

Once again, it's not just the two lives lost, (one of which was responsible for both), but the extreme danger many others were thrust into, including the crews of the C-130 and other USCG assets deployed in that mess. Flying at a nominal 500' having lost their instruments in those conditions (thinking they might hit the ship's rigging)... It's lucky the C-130 didn't go down before the Bounty did, and there probably would have been no survivors from that.

Waldbridge's crew trusted him... sorta like followers trust charismatic cult leaders. "Safer at sea," huh?

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/13/2013 : 12:45:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pfduffy
 Thanks Sten - that was an interesting read! I hate to say it but it strikes me that having that ship at the bottom of the ocean is much better than having it sailing in the Gulf of Mexico with disabled kids and their families. I don't even want to imagine how much more tragic this ship's inevitable end could have been.
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It wasn't licensed to carry passengers that were not listed as crew, nor would it ever had made it that far. It was only licensed as a dockside attraction. I've seen other dockside attractions like the ship owned by another cult, the 12 Tribes people. Free dockage in downtown Savannah and a donation jar at the door while the crew went and installed kitchen cabinets for 0 money. Personally, I think the Bounty should have been sold to the Church of Scientology, or the Westboro Baptist Church.

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